HDxLiberation: A Human Design Podcast

Season 2, Ep. 8: "Embracing the Cosmic Dance: Human Design Tools for Navigating the Transits

• Courtney Napier, Andrea Ward Berg • Season 2 • Episode 8

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In this episode of the HDxLiberation podcast, hosts Andrea and Courtney discuss the significance of energetic shifts and transits on personal and collective levels. The episode delves into how human design can support individuals through these energetic changes, highlighting concepts of type, strategy, and authority, and the overarching significance of connecting with your inner knowing. The hosts also share insights into rewilding, navigating life's pressures, and the importance of understanding personal preferences. They emphasize the ongoing journey of learning and growth, especially in the face of significant astrological transits and their impact on the coming years.

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Andrea Ward Berg:

Hi, I'm Andrea.

Courtney Napier:

Hey y'all, this is Courtney and welcome to the Human Design and Liberation podcast.

Andrea Ward Berg:

This is a space where we explore how human design and liberation theology intersect with the past, present, and future.

Courtney Napier:

With the intent of sharing the beauty and pain of the human experience to encourage you in your liberation journey.

Andrea:

Hi. Hey.

Courtney:

Hey, so excited to be back.

Andrea:

Me too. Me too. Me too. Welcome back everybody.

Courtney:

Yes. Welcome. We had a little impromptu break. I think this is like probably the best segue we're gonna get because Yeah. We were kind of on a roll ish with season two. And then. The transit started transiting.

Andrea:

Yes. Yeah, and it's been intense. I mean, we talked about it In a couple of the episodes earlier in the season, but when you're in it, when you're in it, you just gotta be in it. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I think what something that I learned, and I'm learning that like. More information and even more integration doesn't necessarily mean less experience. Like, you know, you're gonna experience a transit. Any less. Yes.

Courtney:

You know? Yes. So, yeah, we, you know, we might both be knowledgeable, but we are still very much humans being impacted by a lot of energy shifts happening all at once. This year. Yeah. In particular. So, I'm excited. We're gonna be talking about using human design to support us in our people, with all these energetic shifts happening with the transits that are happening. Because like you said, and you can elaborate it's not changing anytime soon. Like it's not stopping.

Andrea:

Yeah. Yeah.

Courtney:

This is kind of a new normal of sorts for a while.

Andrea:

Yeah. Yeah, I think it would be helpful to kind of talk about what's coming and why this is a bit of the new normal, and then maybe we can talk about like what a transit is and how we experience it. From a human design lens more than anything.'cause I feel like the astrology of it is a little bit removed. Like, it's kind of happening out there. But we have both the, like what's happening out there, but then also how it interacts with your own chart. That creates a collective experience of a transit, but then also a personal experience. And so

Courtney:

yes,

Andrea:

really like navigating those two, I feel like is instrumental to one, getting the juice from the transit, right? Each transit has a transformation that it is on. Both collectively and personally. And then also really like offers healing and learning and information on how to continue living into the most fullest version of your life that you can.

Courtney:

100%. So what is a transit? What does that mean? Especially in human design?

Andrea:

Yeah. So in human design and in astrology, it's essentially the same. I mean, the transit is the movement of the planets as they're moving right now. And.

Courtney:

From our perspective from our, Earth's perspective.

Andrea:

Yeah. Earth's perspective and also your individual birth charts perspective. So your human design chart your astrological chart. So, it's interesting because in in human design, the transits impact the channels and the energies that you feel. So, the way the planet's moving interact is very different from the way we describe transits in astrology. And I don't find one to be more important or more relevant than the other. I actually think they're both super helpful. It's just understanding. What it feels like and how to come home. And I think human design does the best does the best job in describing how to come home in the midst of any of it, right? Always strategy and authority. And in astrology we don't really have anything like that. I mean, you do have kind of, like. Yeah. No, there's really nothing. There's nothing like, And especially nothing like signature and not self. I mean, there's no, not really like a any like, guidance specific to the feelings you wanna look for, or, which is all the stuff that I find so helpful about human design.

Courtney:

Yeah. I agree with that. I feel like something that I've experienced studying both is that. Learning my strategy and authority signature not self as a pure generator, helped me understand how my big three interact.

Andrea:

Yeah, totally.

Courtney:

You know, and really I think the faster planets in general, but in particular my big three. Because you can be, like, a generator can be any of the signs. Absolutely. Right? But as far as like the expression of your sun sign can be very different, you know, like as a Yeah. Like an Aquarius generator versus like, that myself a Leo generator.

Andrea:

Totally. So like what feels satisfying, right? Like satisfaction Is your signature and is very satisfying for you, right? Whereas like Sun, Virgo Rising organization is gonna feel really satisfying for that generator. Right?

Courtney:

Right.

Andrea:

So I do think that, you know, it's very, it's fun to be able to match the, and give a little bit more context.

Courtney:

Yes. Absolutely. Gives amazing context and it makes me not feel like I have to. Be any one thing which I feel like just sun sign strict, kind of very popularized sunshine astrology. You feel like you have to be like one type something or want type thing or relate to people in a very specific way. And learning your strategy and authority allows you to understand the nuance of your. Of your astrological, like your birth chart better.

Andrea:

Oh yes.

Courtney:

And you learn it through yourself, not through an external, it's through your internal sense of like, this is right for me. This feels right for me. And versus not. But it's funny because like you, you go through, you you get, you build up your inner authority, but it always ends up reflecting back to you, right? Like, I always end up kind of reading something. I'm like, yeah, that's. That's it.

Andrea:

I think that. The embodiment, the like natural expression allows the reflection to feel more real, right? like somebody telling you

Courtney:

Yes.

Andrea:

What to think or feel or how to do something, and more of like what we talk about in human design, which is passenger consciousness where you are the back and you're witnessing.

Courtney:

Yeah.

Andrea:

And then the archetypes of the zodiac, they come more alive, right? Because you're letting your vehicle do what it's meant to do. You're letting yourself just go through your life and witness what's happening. And then, so I always think of astrology as kind of like the context. And the characters and the landscape, right? It's like it gives all, it's reflection. It's reflecting all these patterns back, right?

Courtney:

Yeah.

Andrea:

And then human design gives you that like internal compass, those energetic energy centers where you're feeling the energy move Specific way within the context of all of the archetypes, right?

Courtney:

Yes. Absolutely. That feels really good to me.'Cause the thing I was thinking immediately when we talk about transit, especially from this human design perspective, is movement. And something that I really was drawn to around human design was this sense of like, I am the passenger. You know, like in this movie. I am kind of, I get to experience life. And it's state of motion. There's like this constant state of motion that is very central to understanding how human design works and astrology too. Yes. But I feel like sometimes, like you were saying, we can get a little bit stuck in like, I'm a Leo and so this is what I like to do all the time. And the transits are something that really reflects to me that constant state of motion in the Maya that is. So central to human design and also kind of the movement of our personality and design together. This like this synergistic like psych cyclical movement that we're always in motion, that we're never stagnant, we're never one thing or in one place.

Andrea:

Yeah.

Courtney:

The transits are so great. To re in reminding us of that, that we are in motion.

Andrea:

Yes.

Courtney:

And that will reflect in our energy. It will reflect in our desire our social life, our desire to be social. It will reflect in our productivity. It's going to reflect on all these different things. None of these things are gonna just. Just not a set it and forget it situation as a human being.

Andrea:

Absolutely. Absolutely.

Courtney:

So yeah.

Andrea:

Yeah. And I feel like the piece of human design that really helped me lock into the energy of my sun, my rising, my moon, and all the other planets for that matter. Is the fact that there's five gates within each Zodiac sign,

Courtney:

Yes.

Andrea:

right? So Your son. Leo, your rising is in Leo, but it's in two very different parts of Leo, right? different gates. then even within that, you have the line that it's in The line its own characteristics, right? And so it just gives more opportunities for differentiation. It gives more opportunities for describing the indescribable, because the truth is the essence of each of us is indescribable.

Courtney:

Yes.

Andrea:

even combining human design astrology, like that's the reason why we still need inner child work, right? Because there is this aspect of us that transcends any complicated system. And so so I feel like knowing what gate your sign is in, knowing what gate you're rising is in, I didn't even know that. I didn't even know to look. For my rising being in a certain gate until maybe like a year and a half ago, maybe. Two years, but definitely like within the last two years. And we just get to go deeper and deeper is really the message, right? So with a transits, these in the cosmos. Are impacting those placements that we each have. So they're impacting the placements in your human design and they're impacting the placements in your astrology. And both matter. So like for example One of the things that we have shared over the last few months that we've been navigating and I wrote about this. Particularly was the emotional transit, right? Where it was Jupiter and the north node were connected in the channel 35, 36. So when you look at, astrology. They weren't making any aspects to each other, right? They weren't in a square. They weren't conjunct, They weren't the things that we talk about. But when you look at the human design chart, they are in a channel together in the body graph. So when they are in those specific gates. It creates an energetic pattern that we all feel collectively, right?

Courtney:

Yes. Yes.

Andrea:

So it's, I mean, at the end of the day, don't expect anybody listening to pay attention to all of this. Like, that's have us. Yes. That's you have us. You don't need to, you don't need to be able to track all of this. But I do think it's helpful if you are feeling. Things feel kind of weird. And we're gonna put this in the show notes. I have a site that gives you, like the transits. It's a free site. You just go and it updates each day. I do think just like you listen to your Chani app and find out what's happening for the week, it is helpful to pay attention to what's happening in human design. Like, for example, right now everyone has a defined heart. So for those of us that don't have a defined heart, this energy can feel really intense and we had, we cannot have a tendency to overdo it and yeah, like ignore our authority in the interest of forcing something or feeling like we need to drive. Right, and the heart energy is so prevalent in our collective, that can make this type of transit even more challenging because it's even more amplified. Right?

Courtney:

Right. Absolutely. Yeah. I think that's one thing the way I describe to my clients is. In a nutshell, and this is very, you know, basic but the cool thing about human design is almost like it takes your birth chart and it puts it on an actual body instead of it kind of being just this kind of

Andrea:

Yes.

Courtney:

Abstract wheel. And so you do, like you were saying, yeah, you do get to relate to. The heavenly bodies differently and see the connection in your own body, in your own, like corporal experience, somatic experience with life. So like you were saying, it's like, and this is what I love, it's the conversation. It's the conversation between practicing presence and tapping into like how we're actually feeling. You know, without, yeah, without explaining it first, you know, we're not rationalizing, we're kind of, we're getting down into our inner authority and really asking ourselves like, how am I feeling? Like, have you been sleeping well? How's your appetite been? Right? Like, how have you, how's the relationship with your children right now? Like, what's that? Like what's, what about partners? How have you, how are those DA deadlines treating you? You know, Like Stuff that. And really like, instead of just like you said, and the defined heart, I think is really good to even pull into this conversation. It's not about like this grind, charge forward, blinders on, not paying attention to what's going on. because that's very like heart centered. It's like, it's about. The at the end of the day, that's not true. You know?

Andrea:

Yeah.

Courtney:

But that's the not self version, but,

Andrea:

that's the not self right? And the true self is, yeah. What is your heart really in? What is your heart truly in? And that the energy, that the heart is a motor center and it generates energy and that energy that gets generated when your heart is truly in something is enough to. Plow through anything, right? It is enough to persevere. There is a very strong sense of perseverance.

Courtney:

I love that.

Andrea:

With that defined heart.

Courtney:

Yes. that. Other side is like the, you know, remembering the signature, remembering like what that true self looks like, because that's another thing too, like are you feeling like weary? Then this is something can tap into, right? Like

Andrea:

Yeah.

Courtney:

it's the other, the seesaws in the other direction, if you're feeling like. You know, grinding, or if you feel what is all this for? You know? Like, build something up you produced it, you laid it out, and now you're like, w why? You know,

Andrea:

do I even like it?

Courtney:

Do I even like it?

Andrea:

Is my heart in it still?

Courtney:

Yeah. Is my heart in it? And so like, I think what's important is like the human design, it slows you down long enough to reflect on how you are, because that is going, that is the, that's the temperature, that's the barometer for your life, right? It's like how are you feeling inside of it? Like your body, your life, your experience, your relationships. That's the guidance. And then you can kind of look to these modalities help you. Maybe better contextualize the feelings that you're experiencing, but the point is to know what you're feeling.

Andrea:

absolutely. Absolutely. I love this so much because the cosmos is always working for us and it's working on a collective level and a personal level, so. We're not necessarily meant in this, you know, time, space, reality, to be able to understand it all.

Courtney:

Yeah,

Andrea:

that's actually a distraction and it's actually, I think, harmful. There's a lot of like new agey type stuff, luring people into this notion, right. Of like, being able to operate in a five D reality. I'm sorry. Like no, that's not helpful to anybody.

Courtney:

I'm really, doing. yeah,

Andrea:

we're going there.

Courtney:

Yes, please.

Andrea:

Yes, what I do think is helpful is saying, does that feel satisfying? like you can tap in right away. Nope. It doesn't.

Courtney:

Yeah. Yeah.

Andrea:

Do you feel frustrated? Do you feel frustrated? Yes. Okay. And these transits, they really do kick shit up. They really do get the energy moving, right? Creation comes from tension. Creation does not come from ease. Think about pregnancy. I mean, pregnancy is intense, like

Courtney:

yes it is.

Andrea:

When your body is expanding to hold a nine pound child, my children were both like eight pounds and something ounces. Right? And then you have the placenta on top of of it. There's a lot of in there.

Courtney:

Yes.

Andrea:

That's why they can't grow babies in a lab. There's not enough tension. The womb is where the tension is. Right. And the divine intelligence to create an entire organ only to produce that life. Right.

Courtney:

Right.

Andrea:

So tension is not a bad thing. What is a bad thing is when we don't have the capacity to hold it.

Courtney:

Right.

Andrea:

and when we are not tuned into our own divine intelligence to be able to operate correctly within the intelligence.

Courtney:

Yes. That

Andrea:

to operate correctly within the tension. Right. And

Courtney:

that's right.

Andrea:

you just like, there's nothing like strategy, authority, signature, not self, there's not, I've not found anything else that is as specific a language for being able to navigate these pressures. And the truth and get into this, the pressures are not going away, so the sooner. You start really leaning in, like really truly leaning in. Do I feel frustrated? Do I feel satisfied? This is divine guidance. This is my own internal divine guidance that something needs to move

Courtney:

Yeah. Yeah. It is. This is so, this is like so juicy. I'm so glad we pivoted

Andrea:

I mean,

Courtney:

we did,

Andrea:

we totally had a different plan for this episode and we came in this, I actually, I was like feeling it already this morning and then I messaged Courtney and I was like, yeah, and we got on and I was like, I'm feeling different. And she was like, me too. And we're like, fuck it, let's do it.

Courtney:

So this is, and I'm gonna take it as in like a bit of a liberation direction because, and it's so amazing that this is fitting together so beautifully, but I just started reading Women Who Run With the Wolves. And this is like my second time attempting to read it. And I like, I was on my library app and I was like oh shit, this is only two hours. Like I can to, this is like a couple of days, a couple of walks at park. I can get through this.

Andrea:

Yeah.

Courtney:

And so i'm at the park. I'm like in this beautiful greenery listening to this. There's like Blue Jays flying by, Cardinals flying by, you know, my Blue Jays are like, yes, my animal, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna take from indigenous, but it is definitely, it's been my animal since I was a little girl.

Andrea:

Yeah.

Courtney:

And and thing that really sticks out to me that's a part of this conversation is this. Idea of rewilding, this idea of like, this is, this book is particularly about women, but I do believe that anybody can read it and gain so much from it. But you know, we have been born into structures that were not built for us to be our full human selves You know, like capitalism is basically trying to.

Andrea:

Objectifying

Courtney:

turn humans into machines. Yeah. It's a, it's an objectifying practice because money is the highest resource and everything falls below that, including humans, including humanity. And so immediately every other system or institution that has chosen to align with that concept, be it religion, be it education, be it politics be it family life, parenting, relationships, any of those things that submits to that concept is going to condition you out of your humanity. Out of your sense of like, connection to yourself and how you feel and what you want. And I'm at the point in the book where Dr. Estes is talking about how you rewild and one of the things is literally knowing knowing what you want. Knowing what you want and knowing what you want. the inside, she kind of, she separates it. And there's one way of knowing what you want, like going to a buffet is the way she describes it. And you're at a buffet and there's every single food you can imagine. And as you're looking down the line or moving down the line of food, you can say, Ooh, this amisu looks delicious. I'm gonna have a taste of this. Or Oh my gosh, that yellow curry, like that's exactly, that sounds amazing. And. All of those things. But then there's a, there's an opportunity, which I think even as a generator who is here to respond and is like, I'm very much like attracted this buffet idea. She's like, there's another way of knowing and it's from this internal place. It's this internal place. So when you are presented with these options, you've already cultivated this sense of like, what makes me feel really good, like what makes me feel alive? Alive, what turns me on. And part of that is to stop shaming ourselves for all the different types of thoughts that we think. You know, she talks about the sticky ones, the dirty thoughts the angry thoughts, all these different things that we've been kind of programmed and conditioned out of accepting because they are untamed thoughts. They're outside of the scripts that we were given. Yeah. To focus on. But they reflect our humanity. They reflect our lusts and our desires and our dreams and our, you know, deepest fears and all those things. But to embrace all of that as information, data, which is very much kind of like this outer authority concept that we're, you know, that human design has. But to tap inward, to go below that, to really get a sense of like. What is it you really want? Yeah. And not waiting necessarily for it to always be laid out in front of you. And I found a lot, like, I found that as a challenge, especially as a generator, but there is this opportunity to respond to myself.

Andrea:

absolutely. I mean, that's what I, that's what came up for me as you were describing it. So. In inner child work, we talk about the inner child having preferences

Courtney:

Yeah.

Andrea:

And so much of inner child healing is remembering that you get a say in what you like and don't like.

Courtney:

Right.

Andrea:

And maybe you don't even like a buffet and that's okay. Like I know people who are grossed out by buffet and that is fine. That's a preference. You get to have a preference.

Courtney:

Right.

Andrea:

And this is just a part of like being in a human body at this time, is that we are all in our children and we all have preferences. And preferences can be inconvenience and the parenting lineage that we come from is a parenting lineage of being convenient. Of not being inconvenient.

Courtney:

Yeah.

Andrea:

And so we are in, especially like Gen X, millennial generation, we, and I would say this applies to boomers too,'cause they're part that lineage.

Courtney:

Oh absolutely. For sure

Andrea:

of. It's important for you to relearn how to be inconvenient because your preferences are not always gonna be convenient for others. And I would say that like being inconvenient is likened to what she describes as wild, right? Or

Courtney:

Yes.

Andrea:

Or untamed. about following that inner impulse, that inner desire, that life force that is guiding what you like and don't like. So the buffet to me. Like when we think about a generator aura that is magnetizing things to it, right? If you don't have those preferences clear, then you are gonna take on things that your energy doesn't want,

Courtney:

Absolutely.

Andrea:

which is gonna then lead to frustration and, you know, learning. I mean, we're all gonna, you know, no one is gonna go through and perfectly pick only things that light them up all the time. Like that's just not realistic, right? I think even just understanding that the goal is not to be without the not self. The goal is to learn from the not self

Courtney:

Exactly.

Andrea:

and continue to honor your core essence through learning and

Courtney:

yeah,

Andrea:

pivoting where needing where you need to pivot.

Courtney:

Absolutely. I mean, I think like, even this idea of arriving anywhere I think like getting back to that is a great reflection of the fact that like. This human life we're going to be. Learning. And relearning. And relearning.

Andrea:

Yeah.

Courtney:

I mean, I, that's what I love about a retrograde as a specific type of transit.

Andrea:

Yeah.

Courtney:

Is that like, it's like a, it's a pause and, okay, and let's look back and see like, Oh yeah. Remember what that, you know what happened eight years ago? Remember what happened six months ago? Remember what happened 15 years ago? You know, like, That's all that life is not like, our lives are not linear. We don't just leave.

Andrea:

No.

Courtney:

That's something that I feel like is very particularly western, is this concept of like progress being the optimal. This idea of like constant forward motion, not looking backwards.

Andrea:

Yeah. I feel like I would get more yeah. specific in that. I feel like that is very much a post Rome, Western European non nonsense concept. Be I, the reason I wanna be specific is because even in the term Western, like to me there's nuance there around what indigenous Europeans understood and indigenous North Americans, right, Versus Ideas. And this is like a very. Human design way to. Understand it. But at the end of the day, the shadow energy of those concepts have also given us technology and interconnectedness that we have never experienced before, at least yeah, in our recent lineage, like who knows about,

Courtney:

What technologies we had before. Right,

Andrea:

right. Who knows about that? But at least for the last 20,000 years, we haven't experienced it. And, I definitely feel like that is a beautiful thing that I appreciate and so.

Courtney:

Yeah.

Andrea:

Now we're having to deal with the shadow and we're having to say like, okay, I wanna carry all of these benefits and all of the true self that has been gained through this extreme notion that is dehumanizing people. And I wanna just stop dehumanizing. So I wanna learn how can I have these advancements while still centering humanity and the planet and that actually make it possible to be here. Right.

Courtney:

Absolutely. And that includes kind of learning the same or very similar types of lessons or having the same or similar types of experiences over and over again.

Andrea:

Yes.

Courtney:

'cause they're building upon each other, right? Like, one thing. And I really wanna talk about this in this other project that we're working on, sh so we're not gonna talk about yet, but there is a trend that's happening right now, and you're gonna be able to name it, I believe it's Uranus, but I'm not sure. But it's like the last time it was in this sign, it was like around the Civil War era.

Andrea:

The first is Neptune and aries aries happening at the same time as Uranus and Gemini. So it's that combo. But Uranus and Gemini in particular is related to the last. Not all of wars that we've been involved in, but three of The major wars, like the Revolutionary War the Civil War and World War II were all, while Uranus was in Gemini.

Courtney:

That's so incredible to me. And I think one thing that has been, I just saw sinners. Which incredible movie. And we also have the kickoff of the Cowboy Carter tour, and we are experiencing this remembering of the origins of country music in the Which are blues, which are, you know, like the banjo, which came from Africa. Which, you know, the drums and all of this. And also kind of the cultural clash that created too. It was its own tension. This art form that also pulled from, you know, European traditions and it was a clash of the two, if anybody knows the history of tap dancing it's Irish dance and African dance crashing into each other.

Andrea:

Yeah.

Courtney:

In the southern United States. To very, marginalized groups of people, by the way, who work side by side.

Andrea:

And what I, it's

Courtney:

Yeah.

Andrea:

Yeah. The, these clashes were actually actually really powerful opportunities for class solidarity that the ruling class. Absolutely could not stand.

Courtney:

Yes.

Andrea:

And so did they do? They stoked racial fears.

Courtney:

Yes.

Andrea:

Anyti, anytime we get close to any semblance of class solidarity. And I think country music is a great example of that as is tap dancing. And we have so many examples that, especially in the south, because know the south was exploited by the north. Like there's this. Propagation of these tactics that happens within the microcosm of each organism.

Courtney:

Right.

Andrea:

And so, reckoning that we're experiencing is exposing the tools of the oppressor. And that can often be really confronting because you feel yes, you feel a lot of shame and guilt for having fallen for the hate mongering and all of the stuff that led to. The separation of people who are going through a similar experience.

Courtney:

Yes, absolutely. Even, I mean, it's so funny you say that because I'm even thinking about worker organizing and unions around the time Of Civil War. There's historical theories that say that, like the class solidarity that was happening in the north

Andrea:

Yep.

Courtney:

Forced the hand of, you know, What became the Civil War. And so it's really it's really important. Transits are really important because there are opportunities for this looking back and it's opportunities that. Obviously this larger divine intelligence, the universe, the creator, however you name it, it's an intention. There's an intention behind having a practice of looking backwards or looking the side. I know there's transference is a phrase that's in human design, kind of like this yin and yang looking to the left and to the right and behind you. Are also really important pieces of like other important directions to go like forward is not the only important direction. You know, like there's other directions that we need to feel into that build us into and support us in becoming our highest selves. Constant forward motion is going to

Andrea:

Well, I mean, it doesn't exist.

Courtney:

right. That part.

Andrea:

Yeah. I mean, like, it's, not real. It's a delusion. It's literally a delusion. Deion, it doesnt exist. And so if all your. Thinking about or wanting or expecting is constant forward motion, then yeah, you are gonna be blinded because it's not real.

Courtney:

Yeah.

Andrea:

It's not how any of it works. And so I think the sooner we can get comfortable with the discomfort that creates. Because again, the delusion gives you this sense of of what to expect, which which. Can feel helpful. I get that. And it's unrealistic and

Courtney:

yeah,

Andrea:

it causes harm because then you're expecting something that's not real, and then you've lost energy. You've directed it elsewhere. So one thing I think would be helpful is to talk about. The fact that the transits that we've experiencing for the last six, seven months, like are really just the beginning.

Courtney:

Yes.

Andrea:

And that's part of the reason why this episode felt so important to do now because at least my clients and my communities are all like, when is it gonna end? And I'm not for three or four years. If we're lucky,

Courtney:

Buckle up, buttercup!

Andrea:

At exactly. I haven't looked at the planetary aspects in like 2028, et cetera, but I mean, just the fact that all of the outer planets are moving into new signs this year.

Courtney:

That part. Yeah.

Andrea:

their aspecting each other in new places that they've never aspected before. So like we're recording this. Last day of April and Venus is about to conjunct Neptune for the first time in Aries in our lifetime.

Courtney:

Right.

Andrea:

Right And so we don't know what that's gonna look like. We know the signatures of Aries and Venus and Neptune, and we know what's happened in past, you know, generations. But the last time this happened was during the Civil War. So yeah it's pretty different now. It's pretty different. Thankfully, God bless. I mean, all you gotta do is read a couple of memoirs about that time and you're just like, oh, that's what we were doing. Okay. Right. We're getting started with a lot of changes, right? It really kind of, Pluto moving into Aquarius. For, you know, for good It kind of went back and forth last year. It went into Aquarius for good at the end of last year. Really kind of kicked off this domino effect of all of these planets changing and that coincides with the global frequency changing 2027 in a year and a half. And so. I just want our listeners to kind of imagine everything, all of these big planets changing, and then they're gonna retrograde back this year and then they're gonna change again next year.

Courtney:

Yeah.

Andrea:

And then we're gonna have 2027 and then they're gonna be aspecting themselves even more. And so, we are really in for a wild ride for a Yeah. So being able to being able to navigate. And find your center,

Courtney:

Yes.

Andrea:

able to use your strategy and authority, look for your signature, understand your not self, that gives you your direction, your own gPS.

Courtney:

Yes.

Andrea:

Because without working with a professional, there's no way for you to know, like, so for example, one of the things that I've been navigating in the midst of. Pluto, Mars opposition, Mars retrograde Mercury and venous retrograde Saturn about to change signs, Neptune changing signs. A lot of that was happening on top of my conscious sun, And it's still happening on top of my conscious sun. So that is a very like unique to me experience of this current transit. There's. A lot that I see happening collectively, but the way that it feels for me and my body, having Saturn parked on top of your conscious sun is particularly grindy.

Courtney:

Yeah.

Andrea:

it's not so, it's not so friendly.

Courtney:

A lot of no's,

Andrea:

not lovely. Just a lot of noses. It's a lot a lot of,

Courtney:

yeah.

Andrea:

It's a lot of like, you know, we need to reign in. Where your light is leaking, That is uncomfortable. And it's also like a little bit of like a, you know, dark raincloud ry kind of feel like, okay, yeah, I'm ready for this raincloud to lift, you know?

Courtney:

Serious.

Andrea:

so serious. And like we talked about, I think it was right before we got on with the Mars Pluto. Happening Mars on top of your conscious sun, like That feels like very fiery. It feels very like, I wanna fight. It feels like, like you're not getting outta here alive, kind of feeling like

Courtney:

Yes. Which is also my first house, whoever's coming you. You. So it's like, yeah. So like Mars being in my first house and moving between my first house and my 12th house. So I'm having this conversation between like, who am out in the world? And is that consistent with like the depths of who I am that has not. That doesn't, you know what I mean? Like there's more, like, it was really a, there's more conversation and to get to that more is going to, getting to that more is gonna redefine who you are on the outside. Like what's going on in the inside of you right now is going to completely redefine who you are on the outside. And and Mars and Venus both kind of moving in between these two signs for me has been like you said, it's been a very unique way for me to experience these frequencies. Because it's in my ascendant

Andrea:

Yeah,

Courtney:

it was my ascendant. It just, it's, these are like, this is like a life defining moment for me. It might not be for someone else. And that is also totally really important information to know. If you're like,'cause what we, the last thing we need is to be fearing things that don't pertain to us. You know what I mean?

Andrea:

Well, what's so interesting to me, you know, I'm an industrial engineer. I had to take. Probably six different statistics courses in college. And so when we talk about like differentiation and there being 12 signs, 12 houses 12 rising signs, the permutations, like there are literally 480 million ways that this could show up for people, right? And so I think it's important to realize that. Your unique journey, the way these transits are landing for you is not an accident. It's part of whatever healing, whatever reckoning, whatever repair, all of the tools needs to happen for you to be able to show up in the role that you're meant to have in the transition that our humanity is going through.

Courtney:

Yes. Period. Period. There's a very specific like journey that we're each on tapping into our bodies, understanding how we are, where we are, what we want. Yeah. Our strategy and authority to help kind of guide us. I feel like they're just the most incredible guardrails or you know, like handrails going up and down stairs to really help us

Andrea:

Yeah.

Courtney:

Tangibly have a sense of like where we are and what we need and what is not right for us. And then the gift of astrology and deeper design study to contextualize also to bring awareness on what people in your circle are going through in your community and your family, your partner, your children, you know? And the change in frequency when you're together, like how that affects, you know, the things you're working on, the things you're building, the things that you are reflecting upon. And so, yeah. It's this is important. Like I feel like at least the message that I feel like I'm getting right now is like the universe. Like you said, you have a unique path and it's important, like you, path is essential for you to walk. It's an essential piece of our collective liberation. You know, this is how we all move forward. Is when each of us are following our specific winding path.

Andrea:

Yes.

Courtney:

You know?

Andrea:

I know. Yeah. Yeah. And it's really beautiful. I mean, there's so much of each of our pasts that touch on each other. I, to me, one of the images that comes to mind for me is the spider web, which inspired. Like the dream wheels and just so many like different imagery, indigenous imagery. And I think that these are the ways that we get back in touch with that. These are the ways that we re weave that we remember, And it gives us capacity to hold the uncertainty. Because of how we got in this mess to begin with is the violence that our ancestors evoked to be able to control others because of the fear of uncertainty, the fear of not being able to survive. And so we're healing that in this way.

Courtney:

Absolutely.

Andrea:

a lot of help from the transits.

Courtney:

A a lot of help from the tra. Absolutely. Just the opportunities. I love a retrograde. I know that sounds crazy, but I really have learned to love an opportunity to slow down and look back. Review. That's also very much in my design. I like looking back and reviewing anyway. Yes, me We share that. We that aspect, we share that. But it is something that is so imperative I think it's something that we're learning collectively. Those of us, especially liberation minded, like, yes, we need to understand. What happened in our collective past, but also in our individual past. That's trauma work. That's shadow work. Yes. That's inner child work. That's internal family systems work. All of that stuff is essentially like reflecting on your past and getting a sense. Of what that is and how it impacts you today, and then getting a sense of like rebuilding the inner safety, rebuilding it the self-trust rebuilding the self-acceptance that has been impacted by our past experiences. So this is, this is legit, right? I mean, it's woo, but it's also very legit.

Andrea:

Yeah. You can't

Courtney:

important work.

Andrea:

deny it. Like you may not like it, you may not wanna go there, but it's happening whether you like it or not.

Courtney:

It's true. True? Ah so good.

Andrea:

Well thank you everybody for hanging in there with us for this deep dive and, come and see us on Substack and we've got some really fun surprises coming. Courtney teased it a little bit. Excited. Excited for it. Yeah, and we're finding ways to bring you the information about these transits in a way that can land for you, can be relevant and practical. Supportive and in community. So be on the lookout. There will be some communication about that soon, and we just are so grateful you're here.

Courtney:

We adore all of you. Thank you so much for listening and hanging out. See you soon.

Andrea:

See you soon.

Courtney Napier:

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