Season 2, Ep. 1: Surrendering to Divine Timing & Kicking Off Season Two

In the premiere of HDxLiberation Podcast's second season, the hosts Courtney Napier and Andrea Ward Berg on the challenges and divine timing that delayed the start and how recent election results set the tone for future discussions. They delve into the intense astrological events of 2023, including eclipses and planetary alignments, and their impact on socio-political dynamics. Key themes include the concept of sacral response, the enduring influence of patriarchy, and the importance of leading from the heart. They also introduce new engagement platforms for their community and preview upcoming episodes focused on tools for resilience and liberation.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction to the Human Design and Liberation Podcast
• 1:07 Excitement for Season Two
• 3:54 Astrological Events and Their Impact
• 10:51 Historical Context of Patriarchy
• 18:11 The Importance of Differentiation and Resistance
• 21:06 Themes for Season Two
• 32:22 Exploring the Magic of Movies
• 32:51 Curiosity and Fear: A Childlike Perspective
• 35:02 The Process of Repair and True Self
• 39:03 Understanding Free Will and Human Behavior
• 43:44 The Role of Desire and Trust in Evolution
• 58:37 The Liberation Lab: New Beginnings
• 1:05:13 Conclusion and Community Support

Transcript

Andrea: 0:02

Hi, I'm Andrea.

Courtney: 0:04

Hey y'all, this is Courtney and welcome to the Human Design and Liberation podcast.

Andrea: 0:10

This is a space where we explore how human design and liberation theology intersect with the past, present, and future

Courtney: 0:16

with the intent of sharing the beauty and pain of the human experience to encourage you in your liberation journey.

Andrea: 0:35

Hi, we're back.

Courtney: 0:42

Talk about a sacral response. You press record and I'm like,

Andrea: 0:49

We love it. We love this. Oh, I love it. Feels

Courtney: 0:56

Yeah. It does.

Andrea: 0:57

Yes. Welcome back, everyone. Welcome to the HDxLiberation podcast.

Courtney: 1:04

Yes! Welcome back. We missed you.

Andrea: 1:07

We missed you so much, but we are so excited for season two. So excited. Yes. And just, we are surrendered to divine timing.

Courtney: 1:18

Amen. Ashe. Hell yes.

Andrea: 1:22

been trying to get season two going for months now.

Courtney: 1:30

Mm hmm.

Andrea: 1:31

Um, but you know, I think that, so we're recording on Thursday, November 14th, um, we have been trying to like legitimately trying to get in the, in the recording room for four weeks now. Um, and just thing after another life thing has happened. And, um, But given the election results of last week, am so clear that that is like setting the tone for the trajectory of the season, um, really of our life for at a minimum the next four years. Right. And mm um, yeah, I think it's, it's divine timing. Um, and we are really surrendered to The ride right that Ra talks about. Enjoy the ride. We're surrendered to the ride. I don't say I've necessarily enjoyed the last week, but, um, I mean, I've done my best. like my three year old did turn three. And, you know, some moments. So, like, I'm, I'm not like wallowing and suffering like I was in 2016, but, um, I'm still, you know, navigating the very real intangible consequences So there's that. definitely. Um, I'm just glad that we got through what we got through and we're able to be here now and we know we know so that we can show up and be ourselves in the moment. Yeah, it's, it's definitely, I think, um, the time we've had off, yeah, has been eventful, has I think the time off,

Courtney: 3:31

Like,

Andrea: 3:32

taught us over again, how to surrender, like, before the election even happened, you know, like, Absolutely.

Courtney: 3:40

life was just kind coming in waves. And

Andrea: 3:43

I mean, July and August and September were a lot

Courtney: 3:48

They were lot, so intense. We knew they were gonna be intense. Yes.

Andrea: 3:51

And it

Courtney: 3:54

It was so hard. What was that transit that was happening that was just like such. I mean the eclipse, like eclipse season, like oh my God, after the summer.

Andrea: 4:04

Yeah. season was crazy. Um,

Courtney: 4:07

was bananas.

Andrea: 4:09

yeah, there was, um, there was like a Pluto mars. opposition. Um,

Courtney: 4:20

yes,

Andrea: 4:21

there was like a Uranus, it a Uranus mars? going back my calendar I have it. it all here.

Courtney: 4:37

It's been like a really eventful astrological year. You know, like, and then to like cap it all off at the end, we have Pluto moving out of Capricorn Aquarius. So there

Andrea: 4:51

was the Mars conjunct Jupiter, Mars square Saturn. That was all in August. Um, mars conjunct Uranus was the one in July and that was when Biden stepped down. Um, and and then we had our eclipses and literally, um, two days before the election, Mars opposed Pluto. Um,

Courtney: 5:18

Um, yep. It did. in Leo.

Andrea: 5:22

mhm, yeah, there was just, yeah, like a lot of gnarly aspects, um, but damn, those eclipses, they were very

Courtney: 5:36

Yeah, they did not come to play Well, you know like my end of

Andrea: 5:40

September October. I was It was wild. Everything

Courtney: 5:44

was being rocked. It was like, everything was just like shaken down, you know, if it survived and it was like supposed to survive and if it wasn't, it just wasn't, that was just it. That was the date it was supposed to die. It was really incredible.

Andrea: 6:02

Well, this, the September eclipse was the first eclipse in Pisces and it was conjunct Neptune and Saturn. So that makes a lot of sense. And then obviously like eclipses are happening on opposite sides of the wheel. So one eclipse was conjunct Saturn and the other one was opposing Saturn. So I was how's that going to go?

Courtney: 6:24

It's like buckle in. And so like, but I mean, how incredible, you know, Chani always says like. You know, astrology, it's like the, the nature of time. It's like the, um, and the how incredible the quality of the time. Yes, exactly. And like how amazing that we went through all of that. And I love what, um, my partner, Dave, he said like, you know what? We needed those like three months of hope during the Harris administration. We did. We did. Like we needed a window of like reprieve.

Andrea: 7:07

We needed a window of possibility.

Courtney: 7:09

a

Andrea: 7:10

a window of

Courtney: 7:11

of what

Andrea: 7:11

is possible. And, and now we're grieving the fact that, that it's not available for us yet. But I do think that We also have to celebrate the progress that had to happen in order for her to even have a hundred day campaign. Right? Like, yeah, there, there was a lot of progress under the Biden administration. Was it enough? No, but was it more than we've ever yes. Yes. And so like, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater because you're going get more If you keep doing that, like If keep throwing the baby out with the bathwater, if you keep like riding these not self extremes, then all you're going to get out of it is not self extreme. Like that's all you're going to get.

Courtney: 8:04

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I totally feel that I feel, especially like in this moment, you know, Mars is in Leah right now, both candidates. Harris and, um, Trump have natal Mars and Leo. Yeah. I happen to also have Mars and Leo. Um, it's my stellium. So my, you know, Leo sun, Leo rising, Leo Mars. And so I, um, this idea of leadership is really a spotlight right now and leading from the heart specifically. So Mars being the planet of leadership, the planet of like warriors and Leo is. is ruler of the heart and so this idea of like, you know, right now we are about to inherit a heartless leader,

Andrea: 8:57

Well, what's interesting, what's interesting is, um, I would say, I don't think he's a heartless leader. I think he is a not self heart leader.

Courtney: 9:10

Okay. So, yeah. Say more.

Andrea: 9:15

we really And in human design, we're working with this binary of not self and true self, right? And the not self is a really powerful motivator because it triggers survival. It triggers the programming that we have had for so many thousands of years, right? Like I was talking to somebody today. Um, this beautiful leader in my community, her name is Dia Parker. If she's listening, I love you, Dia. She runs a really cool program called Athena's Warehouse. Um, and it is for, um, underprivileged youth in a very heavily, um, Immigrant community, mostly Latin American immigrants. Um, and I'm excited. I get to do a program for them next week, so going to be super fun. Um, but we were talking about, she was like, yeah, I'm fine, girl. Like, are you okay? Cause she was getting all these calls, black woman getting all these calls from her white friends. Um, like, yeah, I'm fine. You okay. And they're not okay. Which is part of their process. Like that's fine. Um, it was part of my process in 2016 Um, and what she was talking about is just how knowing the lineage that this comes from has helped her feel more peace. Like recognizing that this isn't a like 2024 problem. This is a

Courtney: 10:50

Yes!

Andrea: 10:51

Know, this is, a 1619 this a, you know, this is, this is, uh, 600 600 AD. This is, uh, like this, has been going on for at least 3000 like I literally went down a rabbit hole over the summer trying to figure out the origins of patriarchy

Courtney: 11:11

Hmm.

Andrea: 11:12

And I got as far back as the Assyrian Empire, which predates the Greek Empire, okay? And I'm pretty sure it goes back further than that. So, um, it actually was introduced during a time when there, there existed, um, uh, it's Called an Aryan people, and this is like the demarcation of when, um, earth based feminine practices. So women were at the center of these earth based practices, which is the reason why the earth is always referred to as a woman because life comes from the woman and

Courtney: 11:53

Yeah.

Andrea: 11:54

you look like you have an earth in your belly when you're about to give life, right? So there's a whole lot of some. symbolism and like really powerful ritual that goes along with these practices. So, um, there were a people, the Aryan people, who, um, they stretched from what is now like modern day Iran. They are like ancestors of the Iranians. Um, and so, All the way to Mongolia and they were, um, they were, uh, um, what is it called? um, we were not, we did not plan on talking about this right now. So,

Courtney: 12:36

Preview into future episodes for sure. Yes. Yes. Um,

Andrea: 12:41

so they were nomadic, they were nomadic. That's the word I'm looking for. Um, they were nomadic people and they, you know, stretched along these, um, this corridor. And so these are the first, um, References, like cultural, verbal stories, myths, and, um, basically the root of misogyny. um, patriarchy. And it was because it was like a very, uh, very physical response. It was a Philosophical response to a physical awareness because they were nomadic and they were equestrian. They were primarily working with horses and like trading horses, doing a lot of equipment for horses all along this corridor. Um, and so that required a lot of physical strength and this disrupted the balance. Um, and created, um, like a backlash to these feminine based practices, um, and really were the seeds of patriarchy. What's also interesting is that these are the people who brought the caste system to India, which we know is the origin of the caste system. Like the origin origin again, 3000 years ago, maybe longer. Um, they also brought the Vedas to India. So, the Vedas are very deeply entrenched into the Hindu religious, um, infrastructure and belief system. So, um, I think it's just really interesting to recognize like where this stuff comes from and how long it's been entrenched. I mean, the violence against women in India is catastrophic and it has been horrible for Millennia. Um, it's horrible today. Um, and, you know, we know that the mystics and the thought leaders in India influenced Christ. They influenced, you know, there was a, there was far reaching implications. Um, although like the Sikh practices and even Christ really looked at the male and female as two wings to the same bird, to use a native analogy. Like that's how the natives viewed men and women. Um, and so it's not to say that like the only belief systems within these groups were patriarchal, but there was a power differential. There was a power differential and that power differential allowed those patriarchal beliefs to propagate and, um, lead us to where we are.

Courtney: 15:45

Wow. You're like the the queen of the mini history lecture. It's so perfect. I mean, it's just like, ah, like the bookends, like it was just. Ah, so good. But you're off. I love what you said.

Andrea: 16:01

There's an outlet for my, for my

Courtney: 16:04

you're nerding out.

Andrea: 16:05

incessant nerding.

Courtney: 16:09

Absolutely. That's really what this is. It's really just a chance for us to nerd out. I'm just so glad people like it.

Andrea: 16:16

For those that want to nerd out with us, to be here with us.

Courtney: 16:21

But I love like a couple of things you said. I mean, I love that you set this up, that this is thousands thousands of years. This is, um, not all of human existence, but a chunk, you know? And also that. A very important thing to always, always remember about our history is that there was never only one, um, one way of being and thinking that that there was always like the liberation

Andrea: 16:52

The resistance has always existed.

Courtney: 16:54

The resistance has always existed, always.

Andrea: 16:58

And it's always existed from day one, something to remember and it still exists today. We are standing on we are standing on the shoulders of those resistors. Today, like that is one thing that has been so fulfilling for me and my liberation journey and going into my ancestry and like finding the little ways that my ancestors resisted, right? Like I had ancestors who were part of, I don't know if they directly were part of abolitionism, but they were part of religious groups. Mennonites and, um, other religious who were very, very anti slavery, um, were very involved in abolitionism. Um, and so, like, just seeing those little brief glimpses of, like, that I'm not, I'm not recreating any wheels here. And,

Courtney: 17:57

exactly, exactly.

Andrea: 17:58

um, yeah, it's exciting to see how their stories want to unfold and, um, get lived on through me.

Courtney: 18:10

Yes. Yes. That's why, you know, we've been talking a lot, um, about like foundations of human design, just like really back to basics. were talking about is the, um, the experiment, the differentiation is experiment. And I think that's a really important thing remember. We're moving into a time, another time when, um, Conformity is not just a societal pressure, but it's actually going to be like an authoritative pressure. Um, and I think this is one of those moments where it feels appropriate to remind folks that of all the things that we're saying right now, that like resistance has always existed. And that is why the differentiation experiment, the journey, the individuating journey, not individualism, individuation is different. That journey toward understanding your uniqueness is so important because that is what allows you to, to recognize all the stories that make up your, your identity. Existence all the stories in your lineage, not just one, you know, like you don't have to be ashamed of yourself, like as a, you know, the guilt, the shame can be shed also the accountability and the strength and the empowerment that comes from knowing all the stories that make up who you are. And so I just feel like, I don't know, like. Every time we get on the mic, it's, it feels very divine, but like, I think that's a really important overarching point to make today specifically is that the differentiation journey is what allows you to tap into the power of the marginalized stories in your history, in your lineage, in your ancestry, you know? Yeah. And they were only marginalized

Andrea: 20:20

because they were violently. opposed,

Courtney: 20:24

exactly,

Andrea: 20:25

Like, there was violence that prevented them to be, you know, majoritized or what the opposite of marginalized is, right? Like, I think that's one thing that we don't talk about enough is, like, everything that it takes to prevent people from being themselves. And that um, even though every tool was thrown at people to keep them from being themselves, they still persisted.

Courtney: 21:00

Yeah.

Andrea: 21:00

They still persisted. The human spirit is, is still persisting.

Courtney: 21:05

Yeah. Unmatched.

Andrea: 21:06

Um, a couple of, there's a couple of, lines that are coming through for me around this season, season two. Um, and what's really cool I don't know if you realize this, but I haven't looked at the exact date that we recorded our first podcast, but it was definitely November of last year.

Courtney: 21:30

It was,

Andrea: 21:32

It was definitely November. So. I guess there's something about us recording, you know, mental note,

Courtney: 21:39

something about Scorpio season for us. but we won't promise to come back so soon.

Andrea: 21:46

right, we didn't actually release the podcast until February because of all of the things that go into creating a podcast, but I just thought that was really interesting. Um, So a couple of through lines that are coming through for me, um, around how the season is shaping up, but it is absolutely around, um, just continuing to equip each other with the tools to make us more resilient to the delusion. And, um, the more resilient we are to the delusion, then the more empowered and more of a difference that we can make in our experiment that we're living out. Um, so that's one thing that is coming through loud and clear. Um, the other thing that is coming through loud and clear is. Um, we're like Mars is going to be in Leo probably for most of the time that we're recording, if not all of it. Um, so I feel like some of the themes that you were talking about, um, around. Like self leadership, um, and, and I think because you're Mars is in Leo, that is a very, anybody who has a Leo rising, um, self leadership is going to be a big theme for them. But, um, just like getting back to what, what does Mars and Leo represent? And, um, what are the, like, collective themes that are going to be revisited during this time, during this, like, 10 or 11 month period of having a planet in a very specific energy. So, um, Mars rules the fifth house, which is the house of creativity. It is also the house of children. Um, it is also the house of like romance. And, um, yeah, just like if you think about, I, I, I would be curious to see like what other human design slash astrology, um, teachers would say about this, but it feels very sacral to me, like

Courtney: 24:15

yeah,

Andrea: 24:16

because creativity comes from the sacral. Um, And children also come from your life force, which is the sacred, right? So, um,

Courtney: 24:26

yeah.

Andrea: 24:27

it feels like there's, and so, and Mars is all about, it is the planet of action. Um, it is the, it's a fire sign, right? Um, so like that very much lines up with um, The energy of Leo being, you know, ruled by the sun, um, also being like a very, it's a fire element. So you've got a fire planet and a fire element.

Courtney: 24:59

Um,

Andrea: 25:01

So that's a lot of fire

Courtney: 25:03

gonna be warm. gonna

Andrea: 25:04

be a little warm. It's gonna be hot in here.

Courtney: 25:08

Queue Nelly

Andrea: 25:11

Which is like one of my favorite songs ever. I also was living in Atlanta at the time, which is very hot here if anybody hasn't been. Um, so anyway, it's very fitting. Um, Nelly is also from St. Louis, which is where Ryan is from and it's very hot in St. Louis well. Um, so yeah, I think, um, We're going to talk a lot about overheating, the risks of overheating. We're going to talk a lot about how to channel all of this fire, how to give it an out so that you don't burn on the inside, because that is the risk. Okay. That is the risk. It is. When the fire is not channeled appropriately, it will burn you up and white supremacy delusion has not, I'm chilling really hard on this. White supremacy delusion has taught us a lot of lies about fire.

Courtney: 26:08

Ooh.

Andrea: 26:08

us a lot of lies about anger. It's taught us a lot of lies about rage. It's taught us a lot of lies about action, when to take action, when not to take action. So Those are things that we're going to be unpacking over this time

Courtney: 26:24

Ooh.

Andrea: 26:26

The other thing that I think is going to be an overarching theme, and you know, for sure, we talked a lot about this in season one, um, but it's really preparation. Now, now the rubber hits the road. Okay. We know what the conditions are going to be like between now and 2027.

Courtney: 26:50

Yep. And,

Andrea: 26:52

and we, we like the collective, we chose. A very hard condition for entering 2027. So for those who haven't listened, go back listen to, episode nine from season one is all about 2027. Um, and all this tells me that we have chosen Trump in this time is that, um, we needed a much more forceful cracking open in 2027 yeah. as a collective, like you and I didn't, but. Somebody did. So lot of somebodies um, even the somebodies who chose not to vote, right? Like, there were 10 million people who chose not to show the fuck up, so they needed a cracking open. Yeah, sorry. this is, this is not going to be fun. This is not going to be fun, but we are going to make it fun because we are going to take care of each other and we are going to be our true selves. And so, you know, that's one of the things, that's one of the gifts of human design in moments of crisis. And trust me, I have a 36 son. I have had a lot of moments of crisis. Um, the gate of crisis. So, and it's my conscious son, so jokes on me. Um, But what I have learned through the process of deconditioning and being in human design and being where I am in the deconditioning process, I'm like entering my sixth year of deconditioning, Um, crazy. Um, not quite there yet. I'll be there, I think in like February of next year, but I'm getting really close. yeah. Um, and what I. What I can say. from my experience and from everyone in my human design community that has been at this for as long as me, if not longer, is that as you decondition, your ability to enjoy the ride, even in those moments of crisis, goes up exponentially.

Courtney: 29:09

It's so true. Literally

Andrea: 29:11

exponentially. And if that's not,

Courtney: 29:13

I'm in my third and I stay and I see it.

Andrea: 29:16

Yeah.

Courtney: 29:17

Yeah.

Andrea: 29:18

Like if that's not a reason to stay, I don't know what is like, because it is not going to get less crazy. It's really not. It's really

Courtney: 29:25

not. You're totally right. Like even in my third year of deconditioning and I mean, One could say that I've been just deconditioning for longer than that. Just not with you. We have.

Andrea: 29:38

Yeah, For sure. For sure. I mean, our liberation journeys play into this, but there's, I didn't have a way to like get to so many self harmful beliefs and practices. without human design. So it's like,

Courtney: 29:57

you know, I definitely feel like that.

Andrea: 29:59

Tell me.

Courtney: 30:00

or what I'm seeing in my head, You know, honey, I shrunk the kids. That's what it feels like because there's a sense of like detail the human design provides, which creates for me anyway, a sense of wonder. I mean, I do have the line of curiosity and so like that makes sense for me. I'm like, it's like the textures, it's the fibers, it's the like, the things that when you are, when you're coming from a place of delusion, supremacy, dominance, there's so little that you allow yourself to see.

Andrea: 30:41

Hmm. That's so true. That is so, so true

Courtney: 30:46

please. Yeah. Oh, but let me really quickly just finish, but like, um, yeah, like there's this. And so like, we are literally like, I've really feel like I've been shrunken down like further and further and further.

Andrea: 30:58

So say more about the for anybody listening who hasn't watched it because we do have some younger listeners

Courtney: 31:05

Oh my god. Is so great. Okay. Honey, I shrunk the kids a classic nineties film. Disney film. I'm trying to, I don't, I don't, I'm really bad names, but it's very famous star, like male actor, um, really great comedic actor is in it. But anyway, it's about literally like this dad, who's an inventor and the kids. play in his lab and they shrink themselves as they shrink themselves down like literally ant sized. And so

Andrea: 31:39

Rick Moranis. Rick Moranis.

Courtney: 31:41

Rick Moranis. Yes.

Andrea: 31:44

I had

Courtney: 31:44

also won't ring a bell for the children, but I digress. Jesus. I digress. Oh, Gen Z. But you're going to love this though. Like open up your little Disney plus app or like look at some YouTube clips, babies, some Tik Tok clips or whatever, and look up because it really, it's like, it's the wonder. It's like, they're like walking through their front yard. The whole thing takes place in their front yard. And it's like, they are, In a jungle. Yeah. Like blades. Blades of grass are like trees blade. Yes. Like slides. Yeah. Yes. It's so and so like the one

Andrea: 32:24

thing, and like raindrops are like, uh, yes. Like the rain scene little pond.

Courtney: 32:28

Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. I think there's like a really like iconic like cookie scene, like with a Oreo or something. Um, just like, so, um, there's just so much wonder in that movie. I think that's why we all loved it, you know, yeah, and that's but that's what it feels like. That's what the movie feels like It's like you're yes, you go through crisis, but you're so small in it, you know that like you're seeing like these textures and layers and fibers you know, like Yes, you're staring at lion in the face, but the teeth look like, you know, like a, like a Grecian pillar. They don't look like teeth. And so you get really like curious about it you're not afraid. You're just like, I just want to understand what's happening learn and learn and learn more and more. And so that's, what's, um, really special about the experiment, you know, it's, it's not like. It's not a reckless thing, per se, but it is like, just this really, it's like childlike again. It's allowing yourself to get, you know, the beginner's mind. It's like the Buddhist term, you know, where you just like approach everything with so much curiosity, um, that there's the room for fear is lessened more and more, you know, not that fear is not good. Fear is very helpful at times, but yeah,

Andrea: 33:59

yeah,

Courtney: 33:59

yeah.

Andrea: 34:01

what I, I mean, I think as you said that analogy, what I relate to is just like the, the thing behind the thing. Right?

Courtney: 34:15

Yes.

Andrea: 34:16

when you get so close to something, like, you know, um, they come across a bee, and the bee is, like, as big as a small airplane would be for us, you know, and like, you know, So when we're thinking about like the experiment and the lens that it gives you for life, you start to relate to these things that really are instruments of the delusion with like this sense of curiosity because it looks so different and that in and of itself takes the power out of that thing and gives it back to you, you know, like, yes. Um, Like, like an example that comes up for me is, um, the process of repair. And as a white woman, like, being back in my power and then having friendships be really unhealthy and having my authority guide me to end them and then deal with the aftermath, but also show up for repair if that is available. and that has happened with two or three other white women in a way that I would not have been available for in the past, and I don't think they would have been able to show up to the moment either. And, you know, we happen to have this common, um, experience of human design in one way or another with the people that happened with. And so, um, I was able to, you know, Just stay in my true self through the process. And what's interesting is like, we use the, like, I use the term, stay in my true self, which is my place of power. But when we say like in my power, often that alludes to like a power like power over somebody. Right. And that when you're in your true self, like you're in your power, because that's place that you can actually be using your energy in the way that you're here to use it. Um, not necessarily like have power over anybody. And those relationships are so much deeper now because we have gone through that repair process and those women are able to go through their. Like I have like one of my best friends. She's been my best friend for almost 10 years now. Um, we went through a very cutting off. Um, for I don't how many months it was. It was a long time and it was awful. Um, it might've been a year. I don't, I don't even know. It was around the that everett was born. Um, but she is going through a repair of something that was broken three years ago. And she actually acknowledged, like, I'm able to go through this because of what we went through. And it feels really beautiful and really loving and like really generative. So,

Courtney: 37:18

Yeah.

Andrea: 37:19

when you see things in that, Different dimension like the"honey, I shrunk the kids". It just, um, it does take away the fear of doing things differently. Like white supremacy delusion would say, cut them off. Never talk to them again. They're toxic. You know, like a lot of um, you know, uh, pop psychology is white supremacy delusion and sheep's clothing

Courtney: 37:46

it's so deterministic. It's so like, this is what this person is now. Yeah. Or this is what you are now.

Andrea: 37:53

Or this is what that person has always been right like all all of these, all of this, and look like I mean We have both navigated situations and our families and friends that do resemble some of these names that are given. So I don't want to like discount, but I think we're both able to speak from a place of clarity as six lines that we're not going to label anybody because they're constantly having the choice between

Courtney: 38:26

Yes,

Andrea: 38:26

true self or not self, you know?

Courtney: 38:29

It's that awareness of the thing behind the thing. Like you said earlier, I was like, that is like such a six line thing to say, It's the thing behind the thing. It's like, we see people's actions, you know, we see things transpire and we understand that there are layers happening in those moments. You know, um, there are things at work. There's self, not self. There's, there's transits happening. There's, um, environmental things going on. There's all these things. And I don't think I was reading this book, um, last season, but I'm reading a book now called, Determined it's by, uh, uh, Sapolsky is his last name, but it's essentially about this idea of free will, which Ra also talks a lot about free will, whether or not it's real or not. Sapolsky won the Pulitzer prize.

Andrea: 39:27

We might have to do a whole episode on that.

Courtney: 39:30

I would love to do a whole episode on free will. But, like. And like, I'm trying to my bite sized, um, Andrea bite sized, like, science lesson, history lesson, book review. I don't know what this is. But, um, basically what's so beautiful, what's so interesting about it is that that's you. At least a part of the book I've read so far, like the first like 150 pages is, is about what he calls turtles all the way down this whole concept of turtles all the way down, which is, um, like, you know, how does, you know, how does this turtle float in the air? It's like a joke that the a smart guy joke or whatever. And it's like, well, there's turtles all the way down. Like there's, you know, there's turtles on top of another turtle on top another turtle. And he's talking about our behaviors as humans. our behaviors don't happen in a vacuum. There's things that happen underneath behavior all the way down to the point where you're like, free will is a really, really hard thing to sell when you know that there are all these elements, all these neurobiological, environmental, societal, historical, genetic um, pieces of data that are feeding into. I'm chilling. How this person decided that today they're going to, you know, apply for college or today they're going to try to knock over, you know, the convenience store in the corner or today they're going to, you know, Hit their kid or today they're going to like, stand up to their partner. You know what I mean? Like there's so many things happening and that like, that's what I feel like the experiment is and kind of what we're talking about is like that a way that knowing that awareness versus saying, Oh, well this person just got grit

Andrea: 41:25

Right.

Courtney: 41:26

this person over here, like hustles. Just hu just gotta hustle and grind. That's all. That's all you gotta do, you know, like all you gotta do, like if you really want it, you can have it. Yeah, no.

Andrea: 41:38

If you really

Courtney: 41:38

want it, you can.

Andrea: 41:41

Yeah.

Courtney: 41:42

not that simple.

Andrea: 41:43

No, it's really not. It's not. And, and at same time, there is this, like, Golden egg of potentiality that is so. inspiring and right. gives me hope, right? Like when you strip all of that, not self stuff away, what are you left with? Because we're about to go through a major stripping okay? Let's just get prepared, okay? Like. Imagine, like, whatever you need to do to, like, get your skin ready for this, the layers and layers and layers of abrasion that are about to

Courtney: 42:28

Mm.

Andrea: 42:29

Um, But when I think about the, you know, what did he call it? The turtle,

Courtney: 42:36

the turtles all the way down,

Andrea: 42:38

the turtle all the way down. I love that so much. Um, when I think about the turtles all the way down and, uh, we absolutely we'll do an episode on this. Cause is so fun is there is, there's a layer of surrender, right. And of knowing that this turtle. Has what it has and if it doesn't have what is necessary for me to express what I'm desiring and we think about like nine centered expression, um, then another turtle is coming to stand on its back. And so there is like a release that can happen. There's a softening, there's a surrendering that can happen of, you get to your desires and you have to surrender to how they're going to unfold.

Courtney: 43:37

Oh, my yeah.

Andrea: 43:44

And we all have big desires now. And the reason why is because of 2027, Yeah, like we all have big desires right now because a lot needs to happen in order to, uh, For us to continue to grow as a humanity, the way that we all signed up to grow and everybody who's listening to this signed up to be a part of it. Sorry. Yep.

Courtney: 44:06

yeah.

Andrea: 44:06

You get to either surrender and work on your ability to trust, or you can be like a turtle and put your head in the sand, but like, it's coming, it's happening. It's happening

Courtney: 44:19

either way, either

Andrea: 44:19

way it's happening.

Courtney: 44:20

That is so good. I was thinking, so back when we were talking about Mars and Leo, I feel like this is like, we're back in that space for but how it's very sacral. It also feels like very throat. I don't know. I'm trying to think like, um, There's not obviously a direct connection. Oh, there is a direct connection between throat and the sacral. um, but

Andrea: 44:41

There is and,and and, that direct connection is in the new incarnation cross post 2027.

Courtney: 44:49

Oh my God, of course.

Andrea: 44:51

It's the, It's the, like quintessential manifesting generator channel,

Courtney: 44:58

Oh my God, you're so right. And so, right. And so, like, there's a really one, like, what you're saying is bringing these two pieces together that, like, one of the really important things about leading from the heart is understanding the desires of your heart. And like, cause you can't, I mean, where are you leading yourself? Like when we talk about leading yourself, like, where are you going? And I think that's something that human design helps facilitate this awareness that you get to choose where you're leading yourself. Yes. A lot of things we can't choose.

Andrea: 45:38

Through strategy and authority.

Courtney: 45:40

Through your strategy and authority. Using your strategy and

Andrea: 45:41

authority.

Courtney: 45:43

And one thing that's been coming up in my conversations a lot, and even in my conversations with myself, particularly as a black queer woman, is the way that supremacist delusion has impacted my trust in my desires.

Andrea: 46:05

Hmm.

Courtney: 46:06

Like, there's so much that I've talked myself out of

Andrea: 46:12

Hmm. Well, I would argue that that's the case for I mean,

Courtney: 46:16

it is definitely,

Andrea: 46:17

it is the case everybody and it's so pervasive. It's so good at disguising itself yes. your particular intersections, right? Like

Courtney: 46:29

that's very true. I,

Andrea: 46:31

I, I know someone very close to me who is a boomer generation. Okay. And. Okay. Um, you know, for interest of the loved ones, I'm not to name who it is, but that person is very Trumpian, okay? Very not self, very not self aligned, um, and they have always cross dressed. It is a male and, um, that has been like a very, um, isolated and, um, yeah, like very painful part of them. Their whole life. so, like, I can see where so much of the wounding and the not self is coming from not allowing themselves to be themselves. And this is a white male who a lot of power in this Society. And so just I say that because it not to diminish your experience of it because your experience is also very profound as having these intersections of identity that are like consistently and massively oppressed. But I think there are those similar things that are getting oppressed and the who who are oppressing, you know, and

Courtney: 48:10

I completely agree.

Andrea: 48:12

and that suffering is almost worse. because, there's no skill, there's no tool to work with it. And there's no opening for a skill or a tool to work with it. And so suffering, the amount of suffering, like you have so much more access to joy because all of those marginalized intersections has forced you to access the tools so much sooner, right?

Courtney: 48:44

Yeah. Yes.

Andrea: 48:45

You had to for survival. And unfortunately these people are also not surviving, they think they are. And so it's, it's dark, man.

Courtney: 48:56

It is. I've been saying it. I've been like, it's this part of the results of the election, know, like there's people talking about results, blah, blah, blah. And we maybe we'll get into like our debriefing. maybe, I don't know, but I, but one thing that keeps coming up for me is that particularly men, you know, particularly go back to the patriarchy conversation. Almost like in my mind is almost like painting yourself into a corner where there is now the the shadow side And the shadow side is very, very, very shadowy with privilege, but the shadow side of all that privilege that was hoarded through all this violence and exploitation and just dehumanization of self and others, they've painted themselves into a corner where they have no capacity for the shame and guilt and the grief. That has built up over the generations. Absolutely. And so they're stuck. You know what I mean? Like all they can, uh, it's, it's, it's the stuckness.

Andrea: 50:09

They to commit to the corner. They have to the corner.

Courtney: 50:12

They've committed to corner, like, that's what we are in right now. And like you said, it's like, some folks need, need the hard way of being cracked open. Some of us done the of getting out of our corner because. We we had to because like for whatever reason, spiritually, physically, we had to literally offering, they're offering up their risks to change. They're Yes. To stay corner. Yes. Even though their life force is trying to push them past the corner. It's, it's wild. is absolutely wild. Yeah. Yeah. And so that is, that is like you said, um, there are people that exist. I saw it on, on IG too. They're, they're people that are not going to evolve. They're people who are going to choose against, It's evolution because it's evolution is not going to happen. It's going to happen to all of us, but it's not something we have to walk in. It's not like, you know, like learning to walk upright. It's like our soul are into walk upright. It's yeah. That is a choice in a lot of ways.

Andrea: 51:17

So I want to offer, I want to offer a that follows along this whole, for you will, thread. Um, and this is a synthesis of various studies of mine. So it's not coming from like one, One place. Um, and maybe we do. Maybe we dive into this in the free will episode because I definitely think that's happening. Um, but essentially, um, not everyone is supposed Not everyone is supposed to evolve because We need that tension in order to evolve. And so I'm chilling like all over. Um, so there are souls who have chosen not to evolve in order to push the souls. That are evolving through their evolution

Courtney: 52:24

Yeah.

Andrea: 52:25

and you live in close proximity with many, as do I, and so all that tells me is that, you know, if I go back to my My spiritual grounding of, you know, um, knowing inner children and that knowing inner children are good inside and, you know, the work with Dr. Becky and, um, you know, just so many of the modalities that I feel called to even somatics, just like. Can I witness their goodness, even if that is their choice not to evolve and can I stop pushing against it? Can II just save my own energy and stop pushing against it? And because my view, and we talked about this in the liberation episode and you share this too, but my view in a liberated world is that they get to be that way.

Courtney: 53:26

Yeah.

Andrea: 53:27

They just can't cause harm, but they get to be that way. They get to not evolve and still have their needs met. They get to be, you know, they get to not and still not worry about losing their house and still not worry about putting food on the table, right? Like they get to not evolve. And that is liberation to me. And that something that I really had to like wrap my head around because the penal system wants to penalize them for not evolving. And that is more white supremacy delusion. Yes, actually. the same fucking thing. So, um, I think that you are absolutely right. It is here. I'm not even gonna say it's coming. It's here. and if you're listening to this, you're preparing for it. And I am excited that we get to walk this walk together. Um, and. And, you know, we have an opportunity to just do some grieving and some healing around how White Supremacy Delusion has taught us that other people should behave, right? And how even in our wokeness, wokeness, we have been using those tools to try to wake them up and really actually that's the oppressor's tool.

Courtney: 54:48

Tony Morrison tried to tell us that racism is a distraction and I feel like I'm like hearing this in a new way because it's like, it has nothing to do with me though. Like their delusion doesn't have anything to do with me.

Andrea: 55:05

has nothing to do with my experiment except like you said, like if you're choosing delusion, I can look to your experiment and see. Contrast. Not, you're fucking not self

Courtney: 55:18

Yeah. I can see And see your misery. Not self.

Andrea: 55:20

See,

Courtney: 55:21

I don't have to be, I don't have to just be in my not self to learn. I can Right. I can observe not self and still learn. Yes. You know? Yes. Like I don't have to, I don't even in our, you know,'cause we still we're sixth line, so we say I lot, little bit of third line there. Like, yes, there's, there's space for that and we're gonna be that. And sometimes, you know what? Sometimes our not self is gonna be what someone else needs to see to stay in their true self. Yep. Yep. That's gonna happen too. Like we're not that gonna happen immune to being someone's object lesson. No, and and

Andrea: 55:53

also being able to, because you know, the third line wisdom is speaking from this place of having lived it. like that is right. that is the value. It's, it's speaking from your experience. And as six lines, if we don't embrace that third line part of us, then we don't get to speak from experience and it, and it really limits our impact.

Courtney: 56:20

Yeah, you can't a role model if you're not rolling, you know, if you're not, if you're not living, you know, you gotta live to be, to model something, you know, and, and so like not fearing our mistakes and everything and not confusing our mistakes. Cause I know like there's so many, I think in our listeners, there's a lot of tenderhearted people. Oh. And. Um, and so we get really frustrated and bitter and, and disillusioned around our own mistakes and the ways that can cause harm. And it's just another important moment to say, you know what, like, yeah, there is repair. Repair is actually what builds resilience. Yes. Thanks. Thanks. Yes. You know, so to remember that it's not your

Andrea: 57:14

generative and sustaining,

Courtney: 57:15

yes. So it's not your perfection that's going to build resilience. It's yeah, it's the repair. So that includes something breaking first, yes. And then rebuilding it and living through it.

Andrea: 57:30

Bring in the fire

Courtney: 57:32

yeah, like this is supposed to be enjoyed, like even those hard moments you stumble or when you're not self or when you just like, or when you fucking choose not self, because sometimes, you know, it's it's just like that. That's life. It's just like that.

Andrea: 57:47

like that.

Courtney: 57:48

It's just like that sometimes, sometimes I absolutely choose to be a bitch a 100 percent

Andrea: 57:54

resourced.

Courtney: 57:56

um, and to know that, like, That doesn't make me a bad person. That doesn't make me a part of the problem. Quote unquote or whatever it is.

Andrea: 58:06

Most likely means you're under-resourced!

Courtney: 58:09

Listen, yes. Oh, our favorite phrase. Yes. It probably that's not selfish for us too. Right. Our, our own not self for us too. It's, it's our little yellow light to say like, you need something, don't you?

Andrea: 58:23

Yeah. do you need? Yes. So I feel like has been a good preview.

Courtney: 58:33

Oh my god, I'm excited!

Andrea: 58:35

I know me too. Um, another thing that I'm excited about, and it's just like, I'm pulling back on this thread of the experiment, um, is a new, uh, way to engage with us. So we are moving from Patreon, which never actually got off the ground, to Substack.

Courtney: 58:57

In case you missed it.

Andrea: 58:59

In case missed it. In case you're wondering why you don't see us on Patreon, it never got off the ground. That's fine, because it wasn't meant to, because we're meant to be on Substack, which is already off the ground. So, um, there will be links in the show notes. If you haven't already seen it, hopefully you've already seen it by the time you listen to this. Um, but we have created a Substack called The Liberation Lab and in the intro post, you can see all about like why we're calling it that. But, um, it is related to this concept of experiment and experiments happening in labs. And we are just super stoked about it.

Courtney: 59:39

Yeah. So

Andrea: 59:41

check that out. Yay. We get to experience some long form pieces from Courtney, which I'm super excited about. And maybe I'll throw one or two in there, maybe we'll write together. Absolutely. We love writing things together. Um, and the other thing that kind of. predated The Liberation Lab was this idea that there needed to be a sturdy support system underneath all of this.

Courtney: 1:00:18

Um,

Andrea: 1:00:19

we recognized in the middle of season one, but did not have the resources to explore until we were on break between season one and season two. Um, but it has led to this structure organization business called Pursuing Liberation. So that is the parent company for HDX Liberation and for The Liberation Lab Substack and also for some learning environments that are coming.

Courtney: 1:01:00

So excited, yeah, we're working on some beautiful coursework some li collective learning spaces for us to like, build out, like we've been dreaming this for a long time. I don't know what came first, honestly, but like building out a, um, learning space around the fundamentals of human design, but from the perspective of, of liberation, um, theology and, and theory. And, um, because this is absolutely a tool for liberation. Human design is, has so much in it that serves the struggle And, um, the experiment, which I think is an even more fun way to talk about liberation now that we have that language. And so, um, we are, we are in the midst of writing that now. yeah, it's flowing. Like, finally, it's flowing. It's timing is not ours. you

Andrea: 1:02:02

not. to no choice

Courtney: 1:02:04

Back to no choice. The timing is not ours. But the, the hours we've spent apart, together, dreaming, um, writing, studying, um, collaborating, like, it's really, Like this, the moment is definitely here. So we're just so excited to share this with you to build community with you, um, to lean on each other during a time that's going to, um, really demand. What we are all going to be bringing to the table over the next several months and years. And these are the building blocks for the new world. And we are just, that is something to be excited about that. That's what's happening right now.

Andrea: 1:02:52

I also think that that's why it took a minute for us to figure out what that needed to be. Um, I talked about this in my intro to The Liberation Lab, but Saturn has been in my 10th house. for the last almost two years, um, which is the house of public roles. And when I tell you that I have struggled my public roles, I tell you that it has been, uh, gnarly the last year and a half, um, But again, you know, like enjoying the ride, like just trusting and like letting myself feel the tension and the unease and also the freedom underneath it and the trust

Courtney: 1:03:38

Mm-Hmm.

Andrea: 1:03:39

um, what's available. And I know that a big piece of that journey has been figuring out this container for this work. Um, and just really. Um, giving anything built under Saturn's blessing is really, really powerful. And so surrendering to that process has been so important. Um, and yeah, more to be revealed around all of that, because I mean, there's like stuff hot off the press that I haven't even gotten to talk to you about yet, but, um, neither here nor there. Uh, it's, it's here though. We're

Courtney: 1:04:21

So excited. definitely here.

Andrea: 1:04:24

Yeah, definitely here. Um, but I feel like what I want you as a listener to take away is that there's been so much love and care put into everything that we are creating. Um, and you are going to be held no matter what you're going to be supported no matter what, whatever However, you want to engage if you are just here for the podcast, or if you're here for the podcast, plus a little bit of reading, or if you're here all in like, we love you and we're so happy that you're joining us and, um, yeah, we're, we're just, we want this to bless you. Yay.

Courtney: 1:05:12

Yeah. With that, we, we love you all having the most amazing week and, um, you'll hear from us again real soon.

Andrea: 1:05:23

soon. All right.

Courtney: 1:05:25

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