HDxLiberation: A Human Design Podcast

Episode 16: Counting the Cost of A Liberated Life with Special Guest, Myisha T. Hill

• Courtney Napier, Andrea Ward Berg, Myisha T. Hill • Season 1 • Episode 16

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In Episode 16, "Counting the Cost of A Liberated Life," special guest Myisha T. Hill joins hosts Courtney Napier and Andrea Ward Berg to discuss her personal liberation journey, navigating challenges as a Black woman in the coaching space, and the importance of family and spirituality in her work. The conversation delves into themes of resilience, vulnerability, and transmutation, offering profound insights into self-discovery and empowerment.

Key themes include Hill's reflections on her journey through setbacks and comebacks, the significance of connecting with nature for healing and transmutation, and the power of gratitude and vulnerability in navigating difficult times.


About our Guest:

Myisha T. Hill is a multi-talented author, liberation coach, and podcaster known for her work in dismantling internalized white supremacist ideals with a focus on love and vulnerability. Hill's journey into liberation work was catalyzed by her experiences as a selectively mute non-diagnosed autistic child-turned-dedicated mother advocating for her children with disabilities. She brings a spiritual mysticism to her coaching and speaking engagements, drawing from her deep intuition and empathy to guide others on their paths of self-liberation.


Key Takeaways:

  • Hill's liberation journey was deeply influenced by advocating for her children with disabilities, leading to a deeper understanding of her own neurodivergence as a gift.
  • Gratitude and vulnerability have been crucial in Hill's ability to face setbacks and come back stronger, embracing resilience and self-empowerment.
  • The importance of transmuting emotions through movement, nature, and connection to spirituality as tools for healing and self-discovery.
  • Hill's process of stepping into her power as a Black woman in the coaching space, challenging societal norms and reclaiming her worth and voice.
  • The transformative power of self-reflection and spiritual practice in navigating personal growth and connecting with one's inner truth.


Notable Quotes:

  • "A setback is a set up for a comeback."
  • "It's not my responsibility to be over-responsible for what people think of me, my work, or my message."
  • "Black resiliency is Black joy. Our version of yoga is movement, transmuting through dance, rhythm, and stomp."
  • "Gratitude and vulnerability have been my anchors through hard times, guiding me to step into my power and embrace resilience."
  • "There's no such thing as failure. You just third line it."


Resources:

Join in the enlightening conversation as Myisha T. Hill shares her powerful insights on resilience, vulnerability, and self-liberation. Tune in to the full episode for more transformative wisdom and inspiring stories.


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Hi, I'm Andrea. Hey y'all, this is Courtney and welcome to the Human Design and Liberation podcast. This is a space where we explore how human design and liberation theology intersect with the past, present, and future. With the intent of sharing the beauty and pain of the human experience to encourage you in your liberation journey.

Andrea:

Welcome, Myisha.

Myisha:

Thanks for having me. Really excited to be here.

Andrea:

We're so excited to have you.

Courtney:

So excited. So, so, so excited. So, um, I was saying, um, I remember seeing your work, Myisha. I think it was before the pandemic and I was a very, very reluctant anti racism coach, extremely reluctant anti racism coach, um, for a lot of layered reasons. And I remember seeing your work and just seeing how love focused it was, how heart filled and vulnerable, um, It was, and that wasn't the most popular approach at the time, um, but it was an approach I really, really resonated with when having conversations around anti racism and understanding that we all are coming into this situation with a lot of baggage around who we are as individuals. And you taking the time to honor that, that under capitalism, under patriarchy, under white supremacy, we are all being um, berated as individuals, and we lash out. In the ways that we flash out, we project in the ways that we project and kind of honoring that first before you start trying to tell people what to read, You know, put to say what not to say all these things that were really the focal point of the anti racism work, um, pre 2020 and then leading into that timeframe. So I just want to yeah. Thank you finally to your face because it's the first time we've shared like a podcast platform or anything like that to just say to your face how much I love and appreciate you. Um, because you, you you kept me going when it was pretty rough out there.

Myisha:

thank you. That, I appreciate Wow, take all my flowers and spray the fragrance.

Andrea:

Yes, ma'am.

Myisha:

I really appreciate that reflection, I think. Um, if my eyes close, it's just I'm getting information. Um, I think, um, it's really good to hear that, especially after the last seven, eight months with what's happening with multiple genocides and of hostage captivity. be reminded, uh, publicly how my work impacts the select you specifically Courtney, because it's been really hard. I spent the last, I would say, five to six months really depressed. Um, Really like questioning who I am and what I do looking for work and not getting interviews and talking to the universe like I guess I'm not supposed to go to work so you better help me figure it out. So hearing that is just that confirmation that I'm on the path and whatever is opening up after this experience and hearing that it's just like it just puts you gas in my tank.

Courtney:

I'm so happy. I'm so happy it resonates to you because girl, like, anyway, I can launch right now just like being in your presence. Feeling so much just love and deep, like, compassion for you were both generated. So my sacral was just like, so much, to say so much I want to give to this incredible human being, but I do want to give you a proper, uh, introduction. you. That was you. But, um, I want to, so first of all, if you're, if you're just tuning in, this is HD liberation podcast, human design and liberation podcast with Andrea Wardberg and myself, Courtney Napier. Today we have our very first guest. Oh my gosh. And It could not have been a better person, period.

Andrea:

Period.

Courtney:

Myisha T. Hill is, let me, let me get the, um, everything right. You are an author. You are a liberation coach. You are a podcaster podcast host, which I want to hear a little bit about that because as new podcasters, we're, we're excited to hear like how that's going for you. And you are, um, a deeply Spiritually gifted person. I want to say mystic, but I can't wait to hear more about how you describe yourself and your gifting as well. Um, and then we'll get into later on just how that has how embracing that part of yourself has impacted your approach to the work you feel called work you feel called to do. Because I know that that's been a big thing for both of us, Andrea and I, this is why we created this platform is that, you know, we, you know, Andrea comes from the consulting space, um, myself as well and writing and journalism and very kind of like, um, physical Maia-based, um, Taterra-based woork. And then we're coming in as like these spiritually gifted. beings, spiritually like cognizant beings, and, um, are realizing that the spaces where those two things meet, um, are few, but are desperately needed. And so we're kind of coming in and we were just talking on the phone before we hopped on, just like, I know this is, you know, We are, we are laying some foundation work right now and it is slow. It is gestational. It is, um, deeply maternal and It is a different pace than the pace of the world, but, um, we have to, I guess like encourage each other to stay excited as we're building this thing, this thing that we know that the world needs so much. So, um, uh, I'm excited. so excited to talk with you about all of this. Yes.

Myisha:

you're not the first person to use the word spiritual mystic to describe me. Um, shout out my friend, Corey. Then, um, he, we were doing, I used to have, well, I still have what's called a conference, a family reunion. It used to be called conference. And I was like, I don't do conferences. spiritual person. Like that feels a little filthy to me, I just want to help people grow. Um, and he's like, yeah, spiritual mystic, So to hear that again. It has me thinking of defining myself a little differently because it's obvious to everyone around me, and I'm not really claiming it as my own. Oh, I feel a lot of power saying this. It seems like, okay, that is who I am, Right. Like the intersections of authentic spirituality, um, and also like the mysticism of me, because that's kind of, um, when I think about me and I think about my work, it's like, someone said once on a post, like, no, one's doing this work, like Myisha T. Hill. And I was like, what does that mean? Right. Cause for me, I'm someone who's like, I don't want all like the uh, cult leader, like descriptions, right? And I guess that's the spiritual mysticism. It's like, who are you? I am what I am. Like,

Andrea:

Mhm.

Myisha:

show up and one day I'll have a podcast or one day I'll be, you know what I mean? Like, I just kind of flow. I'm in this flowing, like water and energy, I guess. Um, and so, yeah, it was really beautiful to hear that description and it kind of, kind of, again, just being on this call, both of you, I'm like, oh, life force activated.

Andrea:

Yay!

Courtney:

Yes.

Andrea:

That's what we're here for.

Courtney:

Yes. Oh my gosh, I love that. I love that.

Andrea:

So when we were, um, dreaming about this time with you, what we were really feeling into is just wanting to know more about your liberation journey and, um, what that's been like for you. I mean, you came to this work through that journey, but I know there's a story before the story. And so. We would love to start there.

Myisha:

Mm, I think my life has been, uh, you know, when I was a little girl, my grandmother had me reading a lot. and went to predominantly Black schools on the south side Chicago, so I knew a lot about Gwendolyn Brooks and Langston Hughes and Black Harlem Renaissance, so I remember, and I was also deeply embedded in Christianity patriarchal, well it's now evangelical Christianity, I guess. Um, but I was heavily influenced by Black, Black creativity and Black culture. So if I could sum my life up, it would be that Langston Hughes poem, Mother to Son, um, where the mother is telling her son that my life hasn't been a crystal stair. I've had ups and downs, but it's almost like I keep moving forward. So keep going in your life. One of those stories, um, for me, my liberation journey probably began, um, if you read Heal Your Way Forward, I kind of give a little context to this being selectively mute, non diagnosed autistic, Not really talking to our 12 year old, but only talking to people I felt comfortable with. which is interesting, spirituality and, and, and like giftedness. Um, but I think my journey probably began when my oldest son, I knew something was wrong with him and I felt it and I wasn't being believed. And I think

Courtney:

Oh, wow.

Myisha:

And when he was five he's now 19. Um, and without telling too much of his business, just fighting for diagnoses for like autism and,

Courtney:

Yeah.

Myisha:

um, that's when I was like, okay, something's not right with this system. So I spent a lot of years for all three of my kids fighting school districts and advocating for other parents rights with disabled children. Um, and it was in that, that fight, that energy that I began to recognize my own disabilities with autism. Um, and I really think that autism is a gift. I really think all of us with this neurodivergence. It's, and I don't want to take away from the label for those who are like, I need this label. It defines who I am. I don't live by labels. Um, and I'm interested in also autism spectrum. I really think it's a gift. I think it's a spiritual gift that I can't describe because most folks with the auDHD or ADHD or whatever the diagnosis is, we're highly intuitive and we feel our way through life in ways that, Folks really can't, right? So it was in my, it was in getting my children diagnosed, referring all of my children to early intervention services, getting them different therapeutic approaches that I never heard in the Black community, like I'm like, occupational therapy. I'm like, that's for eating. No. If your kids have a, if your kids have a sensory disorder, they give you tools to help them regulate themselves. And I was like, I started picking up on like, if adults knew this, like, it was so weird. It was like, I'm in my twenties, early thirties, Like, I wonder how many adults know this, because if we knew this, we wouldn't know how to, like, caretaker ourselves for my kids, and like, decolonizing my parenting, liberating my parenting style, I will be in the wild 20 and 30s, and you know how you so angry at your mom, and you're like, you're the worst person in the world, going through all of that. And my daughter, also, when I was pregnant with her. Just being deeply depressed and then having to make a geniogram, which is a visual picture of your family trauma and reclaiming myself in that moment, he was like, looking at all the pictures. And he was like, well, you know, this ends with you. And I was like, I mean, I was able to see, uh, I don't want to tell my family's business, but I saw some things and I was able to say, oh, it ends with me. So that and then relocating to California and getting my kids proper diagnoses and like. Coming from a family who told me that as a woman, I couldn't preach and that women couldn't be ordained and then spirit putting me in a church that saw my giftedness that I didn't see in myself and asked me to co-lead a deacon board, become an ordained deacon, getting ordained in the church. preaching.

Courtney:

Yes! That's so awesome!

Myisha:

It was so wild. So it was like my Children, which I say they're always the kids are the teachers. actually. You just need shut up and listen. It was through them that my liberation journey began, and it is now through them that these moments of unrest is okay. I'm finding myself again

Andrea:

Mm.

Myisha:

because I would say in 2020 I got caught up in the worldview of what it meant to be a person of influence, and

Courtney:

Wow.

Myisha:

me away from my family, from my partner. Even writing a book, Feel Your Way Forward, I remember writing the last chapter and crying Through the whole chapter because I have to owe my complicity to harm to my own family. And it still hurts because I'm still feeling it, right? But like, and then like asking Source and university, like liberate me from these behaviors, take away the people who. Take people away who aren't in support of the work you want me to do. And that's been the hardest part, especially in the last seven months. I lost a lot of people who, you know, have a big heart. So I connect deeply with folks and I've just lost. so many, but I asked for it. Right. So part of liberation is going to source and saying, I need you to take away the things that are distracting me from the work that you really need me to do. And so, uh, My good sister friend, Dr. Ulyndra, Dr. Ulyndra Renee, did my birth chart. I remember talking to Andrea about my human design, talking to AC Brown about my human design. This is before I knew you, Courtney, were like, high into, uh, human design. And just looking at what is my life path and what is my calling. And when you look at my birth chart, and you look at my human design with generator, it's like in my north node and south node, part of my work is to be with my family, right? Like restore relationship with my family because in previous life, I've done this in previous lifetimes. Um, and so the last three and a half years have been the invitation to like heal up that woundedness around money and family and really center family before, Like the opposite of what they teach us in like the system of oppression, which is everything else first, right? Yeah, like So my little I'm still in this liberation journey. It's a lifelong journey, but I'm opening up to like being a generator and what that means and why I do need to withdraw. My withdrawal is not depressing It's I'm recharging

Courtney:

Yes.

Myisha:

design. also looking at my birth chart. And basically, essentially, my doctor, you lend dress was like, you're a shadow Walker. So you walk in the shadows with people, be careful not to take it on. But then also knowing that Essentially, my calling is so heavy because it's like being an oracle. So being like the mother of like liberating people it was really, really interesting, just looking at my chart and seeing the work I do. my calling is really liberating people from helping people to liberate themselves because I don't liberate people. they liberate themselves, helping people to liberate themselves from Uh, individualism, codependency, and systems of up domination and I've lived that life and I'm living that life and just want to walk with people as they do the same. That was a lot.

Andrea:

It gorgeous. It was stunning. Wow. Um, and I'm drawn,

Courtney:

Thank you sharing first of all, like, and going there and, and showing us your heart. funny because I, I know why I'm connected with you from a sacral level, right? Like, you know, I see you, I see your work, but that, I'm like, this is, all right, Creator. This is why we're all in the same room together right now. This is why we're here. Oh, thank you so much.

Andrea:

I'm drawn to, um, your cancer north node and this like mother archetype. and and, um, your North node is in gate 53, which is, um, it is part of a formation channel around cycles. Um, and 53 in particular is around being able to find completion in those cycles. So just really beautiful how, like. These major formative moments for you, um, are reflected in your design. I just, it's like, you cannot make this stuff up.

Myisha:

You can't make it up. No. no. And thank you for reflecting that because for, for, for too long, like or Andrea, I think I talked to you in like December or january, I don't

Andrea:

Mm hmm.

Myisha:

really, really,

Andrea:

it was December. It was like November, December.

Myisha:

Yeah, and I felt like I was losing my mind. I'm like, am I crazy? Why am I fit? And You're like, you're not crazy. It's your human design. Like you're okay. Right. So even reflecting when I said depressed a few moments ago, I'm like, no, my withdrawal was part of my human design. Like I needed the six or seven months and it could have been depression. I don't want to take again.

Andrea:

I don't think depression is a bad thing. I mean, I think, I depression is is a healthy response. To certain parts of life, and I'm chilling, whoo, I'm chilling hard on that. Um, have demonized it because it is hard to be productive when you're depressed.

Myisha:

Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I feel that. And I think I just, for me, I've pathologized myself with so many labels, and I think that's why I'm like, Oh, I don't want to say that. And it's not a bad thing. It's not a bad thing to say, right? I had a whole, in 2016 and 17, I had a whole, like, slogan of shirts that said, Depression didn't win. to celebrate the moments I wasn't depressed, right. Um, but I, I, for me, if I over identify with the label, I start performing under the guise of that label. so I want to be careful, like I I've navigated depression and also know it's part of my human design. So I guess for both and for me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Andrea:

It makes sense. It makes sense. And I, you know, sorry, go ahead.

Courtney:

Oh, I just wanted to ask if you don't mind just sharing your human design. So your, um, your profile and your type. Is that okay?

Myisha:

yeah. I'm big on my type. My profiles where I get caught up because I'm still a student, but I'm a generator and

Andrea:

yes, You're a three five.

Myisha:

I'm gonna try.

Courtney:

Okay. Awesome. Awesome. Yeah.

Myisha:

I'm like, wait, what does that mean?

Courtney:

Oh, yeah. That's fine. That's fifth line. Ooh, that's, that's exciting to me.

Andrea:

Yeah, we talked a lot about her fifth line. It's Yeah. The projections.

Courtney:

Yeah. The projections. Yeah. So, since we opened that can.

Myisha:

Yeah, we did. I'm like, wait a minute.

Courtney:

We opened the can, so we might as well go there. Cause been thinking about fifth lines a lot because, um, my dad has a fifth line. My daughter has a fifth line. Um, Soleil's a five one. Um, and a fifth line and then Drake, you know, like we we've been talking a lot about the the Kendrick Drake beef and talking about how Drake has a fifth line versus the sixth line that Kendrick has, um, long story short. The fifth line and Andrea is like my backup for this because I'm always like saying it. I say it how I say it and then she

Andrea:

it how you say it.

Courtney:

and then the projector makes it all make sense. Um, but the fifth line is here to express universal truth, like the universalize the experiences that you go through and the wisdom that you get from the experiences you've had. And so, and that I, when you said heavy for your calling, that's what really, Like struck me to make me think, like, I wonder if that's it because you are, first of all, you're very, very seen as a generator. You have this very beautiful enveloping aura that attracts a lot of people. And then this fifth line, the people that are attracted to you are projecting onto you the need for answers, the need for wisdom. And when depending on how, but depending on their expectations, it's their expectations. You either meet their expectations and you become like, almost like a savior to them, which is one extreme, or You don't meet their expectations and then they start to vilify you. They start to like, see, I knew that X, Y, Z, I knew this person was this and this, but their reactions have nothing to do with you, their projection. And you're, and so you're Yes,

Andrea:

Both even Even the people who love and adore you are often projecting. And so, um, it's really about your authority telling you whether or not you can resolve what it is that they're asking for your help with. Right? Like if that challenge is one of the challenges you're here to help with.

Courtney:

Yeah, it's very much a prophet line like in the Bible, you see how the prophets,

Andrea:

not to put any pressure on

Courtney:

experiences aren't based on whether or not the prophet is telling the truth or not. The prophets experience is how the people are. Yeah. Respond to the truth that's being said. And so that is something that your, your inner strength, your inner authority, that work is so powerful and the family work you were saying to cultivate that who, whoever it is for, whoever's listening as a fifth line that makes you feel like yourself and treat you like. a human being, not like their savior and not like a villain, but like you, um, and your inner authority will help you understand who that is. And, and for you, it's looks like your family, which is just, it resonates so deeply, um, with me specifically. Um, my Venus is in cancer. And so I'm having a conjunction right now, um, Venus and Mercury are both in cancer. So I'm just very, very, very, very maternal. Um, and so to hear the mothering of your children being like a vehicle for you to understand what your calling is and also to understand who is truly for you and how powerful you are in bringing those answers and solutions to people when it's right relationship is just so, uh, so powerful to me.

Myisha:

This is so rich. Like you said, you all both have said something, some things that I'm just like, this is feeding me right now. I don't even know what to do or say. Like, it's um, right. It's right there. Like hearing the, as you were describing me and my leadership style and the word prophet, it takes you to my friend, Hannah, my fellow BTS army sister. With me when I was going through hard times at the church, she would say, Maisha, you're just a prophet, not in your own land, they can't accept you. And I'm like, huh? And then hearing like, this idea of needing, meant to shine, or being in the forefront. It's so powerful. the Leo. I'm Leo rising, Leo, something else. It's all kind of Leo on my chart. And I have resistance, you know, I can, I have to say, I resist being the face and being in the front. I don't know where it could be childhood stuff or some things I'm working through. So to hear that it's like, God, I have to be in the front. And it's always for my whole life. This is part of my journey is knowing the calling and running from it like Jonah. Like, so my pastors would always say, where's, where's Jonah? Jonah here today? is like, that was my nickname because I was called and I would run. Like, I'm not saying anything. And you, sometimes you'll see me on social media and I'm like, I'm going to say the quiet part out loud, or I just have a question when you hear me say I have a question, it means because I'm wrestling internally, like putting myself out there, like, I don't want to say this, but source wants me to say it. not many people understand that And so it's all culminating here in spiritual mystic. It's all culminating for me. It's like, Oh, okay. You better step into that. You better step into that Leo energy and just do the things you were called to do and stop tiptoeing around

Andrea:

Yes. And also, also and I mean, some of it is fear, but also there's, there's a large responsibility for the fifth line.

Courtney:

Mm

Andrea:

There is a lot, it is heavy, right? And so also being gentle with yourself in that and recognizing. Okay, like the, there there is a large sense of responsibility, um, and you have that third line in there, your profiles of three, five. So there's going to be a lot of experimentation along the way. And I see like the three, five and the one, three are two of the hardest profiles to have because Because the first line, the one, three, the first line really wants stability. And the third line is always fucking it up. And with the three, five, the fifth line really needs. Um, reputation is really important to the fifth line and I know it sucks, but what I just want to like deconstruct a little bit about what that means because your projection field actually is a gift. Like the, the projection field is how people find you. And so, um, reputation is vital to that projection field. So, um, When you look at that through a capitalistic white supremacist lens, right?

Courtney:

hmm. Mm

Andrea:

It, that's where some like perfectionism can creep in. But when you deconstruct that and you um, get down to the essence of your, values and, um, what you are learning and what you are really universalizing, then what you find is that, um, it's really about being like, Weaving in that transparency into your, into your projection, into like who you state that you are so that there is more understanding of your humanity in the process. People are still going to miss your humanity because of that projection field. They're just, um, it's kind of like that, um, You know, CEO in the corner office or like, um, you know, ivory tower, like all of these kind of imagery. Like that's, that's the archetype of that fifth line and it's in your body, it's in your unconscious. So it's, it's, you're not even conscious of it. Right. And then all of a sudden these projections are coming at you and you're just in your third line world. Like I'm going to experiment with this. I'm going to experiment with that. I'm going to see what's working. Right. And then that fifth line wants to universalize what's working. It wants to find the heresy. It wants to find the, you know, like the, the ideas that are just going to blow people's minds, which is exactly what you do.

Courtney:

So, yes. Exactly what you do and you do it naturally. And I think that's the, that's what, uh, Andrea said. so poignant is like, this is about you being you like, that's the essence of a, of a Leo, Leo rising. I'm a Leo, Leo rising. Leo Mars. So I'm like a stellium Leo, Leo, and I've been, it's so funny cause I've been wrestling to with that being seen being myself through the ups and downs of what that looks like. Um, Challenging people's expectations of me, you know, when it's time to go left and no one's expecting me to go left, like, why do I care that people that I'm doing something that people don't expect? Like, I care so much. Like, what is that? Where is that coming from? And so just that wrestling with being my full self. And allowing myself to celebrate myself wherever I'm at to be fully embodied, um, and to not shy away from the ways that who I am spills outside of people's expectations or any type of norms or any type of labels, like you said, just letting it spill, just letting the light fractal where it fractals like and go where it goes and let the colors look like what it looks like. And it's just because it's just me and it's. Awesome. It's who I'm supposed to be like, there's no one else I'm supposed to be besides myself. And I'm like the biggest blessing to myself and others when I'm being true to who I am. Um, but the other thing that Andrea didn't say today, but has said to me over and over again, when I talk about this fear of being seen is that as Black women being seen is. Um, has been dangerous for a very, very, very long time and continues to be dangerous. Maxine Waters, there's, yeah, I don't know if you saw that, but there's a man who just got sentenced to 33 months in prison, which is not enough, for threatening Maxine Waters life. Um, and so that for me, I read that last night. It's like, this is The world that we're in. This is the reality of the white supremacist capitalist patriarchy that we aren't in. And we have an ancestral deep splenic, um, splenic information that I think When it comes to fearing being seen and reconciling with our splenic authority. I don't know whether yours is defined or not, but really, um, not looking at that fear again as a negative thing. Like Jonah had to have the whale experience. God was not surprised. You know what I mean? Like Jonah had to have the whale experience. He had to have this deep, deep underwater. Birthing in the birthing womb kind of moment to like under to have this conversation with God around why here? Why them? Why now? All of these things and and Creators not. Threatened by the passing of time, like capitalism is, right? Capitalism wants us to go, go, go, do, do, do. Like, you want to start a project? Launch it right now. You want to do a class? Sit down and write it right now. There are all these things, but Creator, This is not on that timetable, like Creators holding eternity. So we don't have to rush from one calling to the next, from one thing to the next. And we can have, like you said, when you were, when you pulled back, when you were drawing away to recharge, you know, that is accounted for in your calling, you know, like caring for your body, caring for your family, caring for your mind going and and scuba diving, which I love those videos of you scuba diving and going on vacations. All of that is Like woven together in the quilt of your calling. It's all supposed to, it's all there. Like that's all accounted for and necessary. Um, so, but heal, but heading, not not

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Courtney:

different,

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Courtney:

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mystic with a message, you know, the first witch they killed in the witch trials is a Black woman. Like we, this is, this is not like, this isn't coming from nowhere and it's not a spirit of fear. Like it's real.

Myisha:

Thank you for that. Thank you for that. Damn, that, that was life giving. It's, it's, it's critical for this conversation to be having in this moment because it is like a, I thought it was an exhaustion, but it is the ancestral connection, right? Because for me to become a woman and become ordained, right. And I gotta be real, like, I don't want to, I had male family members that are mad that I was a woman getting, getting ordained. Right.

Andrea:

Mm hmm.

Myisha:

have my aunt. Had asked me, and I don't know if they both will remember this, but proved to me in the Bible where it says that women can be ordained. And I remember my mom saying, we're not going to do this.

Courtney:

Wow.

Myisha:

It's not, we're no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And my mom's always been my biggest advocate. Right. I'm like, you can do anything. like I had a mom that said you could be anything and do anything. And I've done my whole hit list. Beauty pageants, uh, this modeling. Like I have a whole hit list of like what I've always wanted to do. And I've done it all because I had a mother who was like, just do, you know, do whatever you want. And, you know, some people were like, you're crazy. Like what are you doing today? And I'm like, well, my mom said, be what you want to be. And um, I wanted to be like, to speak and to, to preach the gospel at that moment in my life. And for someone to tell me I wasn't qualified because I was a woman and then adding the layer of Black woman and then the layer of autistic Black woman. And then I was I was still a single mother. They weren't having that because I come from this, this this traumatic line of, My mother, I remember my mom being in a room and my mom being told she wasn't shit because in a Christian way, because she was a single mom. And so look at me getting to break the barriers of being a single mom and look what the universe and the ancestors have done to those people. Know who you are if you're listening And you might not remember, but you, I've watched my mother suffer for being a single mom and support was weaponized against her. So here I am, the single mom preparing for ordination, and the only people who were throwing barriers and traps were people who were in my bloodline and my family. Wow. So they hear, like, it's not a fear, it's a real, it's, it's even in my own bloodline, right? And I, I, do struggle, like, like, should I say this? Should I do this? And it's, you know, even getting on here, talking about it, it's like, if I don't say it, right, how will the universe get the, I mean, The universe gets its message out through other people, but there's something, I feel like there's something divine that it opens up so much. hmm. And one of the things I've had to learn, just going back to so much juiciness has been said is like being overly responsible for the collection and having a great spiritual teacher reminded me, it's not my responsibility to be over responsible for what people think of me, my work or my message.

Courtney:

Amen to that. Wow. Yes. Ashay. Ashay. Ashay. Ashay

Myisha:

and really, like, my job is really, my spiritual teacher, my therapist, Um, they they're Native American, uh, medicine practitioners, will always say, You we don't know if you know this, but your work is really about love. And if, if people could get to that core of like, you just out here trying to see through the love themselves and start to find the love even in the suffering. Um, I don't know, it just feels so connected to what you're saying to me right now in this moment. I really want to say to anyone who's listening, if you don't know your astro, astro, astrology chart, if you don't know your human design, time with Andrea or Courtney or AC or whoever to get that done. because that is going to answer. So many questions that you have in your life. Yes. because even in this moment, in this conversation, so many questions from the last four years have been answered Wow. and so much confirmation of my new work. of The new step for the collective is, is I feel it like, Oh, okay. I'm just gonna do this thing now.

Courtney:

Mm.

Andrea:

It's been beautiful witnessing just, you know, since we started talking in like the November December timeframe and you know, you were really in a moment of a lot of loss. And that's something that Courtney and I talk about often. I don't know how much we've talked about on the podcast, but it's like one of the, it's one of the topic, you know, we have like a running list of things that we want to talk about. Um, and, uh, one of the things that we both understand, and that you understand is the, of of this path, right? There's, there's obviously the cost and there's the reward and the reward is empowering. The reward is, um, fulfilling. The reward is life changing. Um,

Courtney:

satisfying.

Andrea:

Satisfying. Yes. For, for sure. For generators, especially very satisfying. Um, and I feel successful as a projector because of these pivots that people are able to make and experience the fullness of their life versus having some outside force that is trying to, uh, extract from them dictate. their fulfillment, right? Um, but the cost is heavy. Like the cost is, is not to be glossed over. Um, and I really, it's something that I try to prepare people for in this work. Um, and I, you know, it's unique, like each of us has karmic stuff that we're all working through. And so cost is going to be different for each of us, um, but there's always a cost. It's just part of the journey. And not being afraid of that cost, right? And recognizing that through that cost, and, and for me in particular, you know, it's looked a a specific way, right? It's looked like, um, financial hardship. It's looked like bankruptcy. It's looked like things that are, you know, very, um, vilified. And at the same time, discovering my inherent worth. through that process and discovering how, um, the, manipulation that's used by the system around those things, um, was really transformative. It radicalized me in, in the best way. And so would I wish that on anybody? No, but do I also see it as a part of the journey that we have to, like, fortify ourselves for so that we are not afraid of it. Um, yeah. And I just feel like through that loss, I've just seen you Step into this freer version of yourself.

Courtney:

hmm.

Andrea:

curious how that has unfolded for you and what you might want to share about that.

Myisha:

You know, I think my former best friend and her husband in 2020, they needed me to, um, put bars on the song. That's my family's inside joke. because I can rap. That's, uh, people don't know that about me. I have bars. Um, it's so funny, I'm actually working on a, I've been working on this, this EP since December, and it's just, there's just one song that I need to finish,

Courtney:

Um, Oh, that's so exciting.

Myisha:

going to drop this song? And I'm like, I'm just going to just probably, I don't know, December or something. I'll just give it to

Courtney:

You're just gonna Beyonce the record. Just drop it. In the middle of the night. No fanfare

Myisha:

You're gonna be like"Oh, my God, she dropped it." but they were like, Can you just say something? And so I remember learning some years ago that a setback isn't set up for a comeback. And I truly lived that in my life. Um, I talked about, it's been, I've lost my, my, I've lost my family because of my mental illness and being hospitalized and not seeing my family for seven days. um, friendships, relationships. Um, but I know that God has me was essentially like the universe has my back always. And I think what got me through these last seven months, specifically the pain, the purpose or pain, the power, whatever we call it now, um, it was gratitude

Andrea:

Mm.

Myisha:

and being vulnerable enough to ask for help. I mean, there's some times where I'm like, I can't pay this bill, right? So it's like to go from financial privilege but then go back to moments that could trigger trauma around finances and bills. like that. I have big bills now that I'm like, Oh my God, I just tell myself every day, like a setback is a setup for a comeback. Like I, I have been here before and I've done worse, you know what I'm saying? So it's really like almost affirmations in real time and like really deepening my spiritual practice. Um, has been a goal for me, too. So even talking to, um, today, my partner looked at me. He's like, okay? And I'm like, I'm just grounding myself.

Courtney:

Mm.

Myisha:

Like, I said, I'm, I'm, I'm really learning how to move with the energy, not just the me internally, but of the universe. And that's like some deep ancestral spiritual work. I'm, I'm getting ready to step into. Yeah. I don't know where it's coming from, but I'm trusting it. So I think I remember just moments early as an early mom, like my mom got me this book by Ayaan Levanthzad called, um, the woman within, Something the Woman Within. It's an orange and red book, but my mom has always brought Ayaan Levanthzad and other spiritual metaphysical books in my life.

Courtney:

Mm hmm.

Myisha:

of the, one of the first ones was that one and Tapping the Power Within, Ayanla Vanzant, uh, a Wayne Dyer book, and the Alchemist. And for me my mom, the alchemist is like, Oh, that's our jam, But I've always been able to, I've always been seeing stories of people who fall and get back up, fall and get back up. And I feel like my life is just falling, get back up. Like, that's why for me, I can say, I got to face it, feel it and do something about it.

Andrea:

Mm.

Myisha:

I, I can't like, like I can't sit in it too long, which is kind of my coaching clients. You know, they, I'm, I'm feeling this okay, go for a walk, transmute. I just said on a different podcast, like people seem to think, and Courtney, I don't know if you can relate to everything, but Black resiliency and I'm like. That's Black joy. Like, what are we, what were we supposed to do? when we supposed to be just enslaved and be like, Oh my God, I'm enslaved. What am I going to do? And it's like, I don't understand. If people know for Black bodies, like our version of yoga is movement. It is transmuting stomping and rhythm and dance. And so we don't sit in it because we know how to transmute movement. And for me, part of this is

Andrea:

At full body chills.

Courtney:

Mm.

Myisha:

to the water or hiking in the red rocks, nature because. The new tool of oppression is to take away our connection to nature by making technology so accessible that we don't even realize we're in the house, trapping ourselves like prisoners. These are all new revelations that I'm having from failing. failure

Andrea:

from third lining, from third

Myisha:

third lining. Oh, that's what I call it now, thank you, from third lining. Yes. my third lining is, there's I'm just metaphysical. so I say things like, there's no such thing as failure. You just are in the moment. Right. And I know words matter for so many people, so I struggle to even say I don't get caught up in labels and language because it does matter. And for me, right, this is the part of the differentiation. It matters and, yeah, Yeah. Right.

Andrea:

Holding that that complexity. Mm hmm.

Myisha:

I'm not denying anyone's experience. It's always and for me, for me to feel interdependent and in community with the collective and for me. I just can't sit in the over identifying with the labels.

Andrea:

Yeah. Yeah.

Courtney:

Ooh. so, so many.

Andrea:

So good. Makes so much sense. Yes. I'm like looking at your chart. I'm like, yes, yes, yes.

Myisha:

I'm tripping out you have my chart right there,

Andrea:

I do. Of course

Myisha:

I do.

Courtney:

I love it. I'm jealous. I can't see it. Um, I'm, but what I, what I love about this conversation, um, is we're touching on a lot of things that I think we went, I think women in particular, Black women, because that's my experience. Women in particular, um, have. a front seat for that a lot of the world, um, does not, which is that life is ups and downs. Like life is a mixture of strength and vulnerability and, um, personal strength and then communal strength and then, um, identifying in A group of people and an understanding that your full identity is not encompassed by those people by the family or whatever. Um, and Women have this experience now, whether or not they are conscious, whether or not they are being embodied and they're mindful and present in that experience is another conversation. And I'm sure that's probably something that you, um, speak to a lot, especially to white bodied clientele and that kind of thing that like, you have to. Embody this struggle. You have to embody this complexity in order to reap the reward, as Andrea was saying, from the complexity. Yes, there's a cost to being, you know, being present in the complexity, but there's also this reward. But what I love about the conversation is that we are normalizing This complexity and normalizing how more often than not, the answers that we need are definitely inside of us, like we definitely embody whatever the answer is. Like, that's something that I love about human design is that like Mm hmm I can, I can look at my, my self. It allows me to look at myself. and I'm like, Oh, this is just this season, this, this, these past couple of weeks or this past few months or whatever. Like, I feel like I'm in like a story within a story. yeah. And like, And to see that, like you were talking about astrology and human design, to be able to see the stories within stories that are happening and it's all the time to understand that we're in relationship and movement with the universe and with energy that is ours, energy that is shared in our, in our whatever pent up family, you know, space that we're in. And then we have a collective universal energy that is Just moving all the time and, and the presence and embodiment of that is, um, how we are able to gain what is meant for us in the complexity instead of like resisting it and, and, or feeling like the, this outer authority story, this, this capitalistic. White supremacist, patriarchal story of linear progress and, um, you're worth being attached to your bank account and the, you know, the bigness of your business or whatever your reach or whatever it signifies that you're being successful or you're, or you're a good person, know, all of that, all of that manipulation of what we know in our bodies. When we are embodied, when we are riding through the complexity of of our own individual differentiated lives, instead of this comparison game that we are constantly being kind of pulled into, um, and really normalizing Something that sounds really big. It's like when you say it kind of when you explain it in these larger terms, I, I connect with you so much with I don't want to sound like a guru. Like, I'm not trying to be someone's like, um, and when you use terms sometimes it can, for me, it feels like, um, it feels hard to grasp, but I feel like what we're doing in this conversation is making these things so easy to grasp and so mundane in a sense of like, this is, this is everyday life. This is everyone's everyday life, actually, in their own differentiated way. But this is what. The IG timeline will not show you. This is what the news will not show you. This is what our political reality does not reflect, um, that these minor and major ups and downs are constant. You know, the only constant is change as

Myisha:

I've been saying that all week. I've saying that all week. That is the only thing constant. It's the laws of the universe, like for us to not remember that, that, that basic, those basic laws of spiritual living or physics. hmm. Nothing happens until something moves too, right? Like that's Albert Einstein's work. Like, wow. And there's so much around movement and energy and life force and ancestors that we could unpack.

Courtney:

Mm hmm.

Myisha:

And these aren't the conversations happening on Instagram and swipe it's important for people to get in beloved community not a cult, Not something where someone is telling you who you are what's to believe. And if you don't believe this then you're a bad person. Let me just say that because that's not the work. that's not relationship that's cult and that's dangerous,

Andrea:

Yeah. Manipulation is.

Myisha:

and manipulation. Absolutely. And the work is it thrives in relationships and community. And when you can get in deeper community, you can build deeper connections, right? And it's something that we don't talk about a lot in the world we live in. Yeah. Um, and it's, it's beyond Instagram

Courtney:

It's way, way beyond. the

Andrea:

new tagline beyond Instagram.

Myisha:

Yes. And, and, and beyond the one time workshops that everybody goes to I'm a better human. It's. It's so much deeper than that. And I, and one day, one day, Well, I'll get there.

Andrea:

We will. We have to. There's no choice.

Myisha:

Yeah.

Andrea:

Truly.

Courtney:

Mm.

Andrea:

Oh, thank you for being here. Do you have any questions for us? I'm conscious of your time. So I just want

Myisha:

to you how much I

Andrea:

appreciate you being here.

Myisha:

I don't have questions, but I do have an act of those who are watching, which is to be sure to follow andrea and Courtney, be sure to support their work, get your charts read. Um, and really like, trust that you're not, don't want to be ableist, but trust that there is a deep spiritual calling that these two women can help you get to.

Courtney:

Oh.

Myisha:

all I would say.

Andrea:

thank you,

Courtney:

That's everything. Thank you so much.

Andrea:

And I want to make sure they're following you at both Check Your Privilege and Myisha T. Hill. And I know that you have summer school coming up in July. So very excited for that. And is there anything you can tell listeners? about summer school or what, what are some hot topics this year?

Myisha:

So summer school, we're wrapping up June right now. So summer school is it, you know, from 2020 it was a one week experience and now it's once a week. And we're talking about things like, what do we talk about this one Radical Authenticity,

Courtney:

Mm

Myisha:

Checking Your Language Privilege, that's this upcoming sunday, Matriarchy Visions, I'll be talking about matriarchy at the end of um, next month we're doing Recovering from Whiteness, um, what else am I doing? The usual, Heal Your Way Forward, How to Rescript Your Story, um, and, Ableism, right? Like healing your relationship to ableism. So this is, summer school is just Sunday school, right? If you're a christian, you get both Sundays. It's just sunday school. It's just Sunday school. We're going to get together and do deep transformation, transformative work in community. Um, and not like a one off workshop where you're expecting me to teach you something. We're in practice together. that is the essence of my work is how to be, to be in practice with everyone, uh, at summer school. And in the fall, it'll shift to Sunday school, so people always know on a Sunday, if you need some community and some deep work, you can head over to Check Your Privilege and we'll do some deep anti, not anti, liberation work. No, that's right. Yes.

Andrea:

it.

Courtney:

Yes, this was amazing. Like I said in the beginning, and I feel like it's more true right now. There is no one else we could have had as our first guest, um, than you. You are, ah, you were the perfect first guest and we are just so grateful for you, grateful for your work, grateful for who you are and who you are, um, Allowing yourself to be the way you're healing your own self forward and, um, letting us witness that, which is just, it just fills me, it fills me to just have been in your presence today. I know Andrea feels the exact same way. Thank so much for being here.

Andrea:

We appreciate you guys so much. Myisha.

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Thank you so much. I appreciate

Myisha:

you both and we'll talk soon.

Courtney:

Yes, Don't be a stranger. You are always welcome back.

Myisha:

Anytime. Just send me an invite and I'll book it. I'll come back once a month if you want. Hey.

Andrea:

We're going to hold you to it.

Courtney Napier:

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