HDxLiberation: A Human Design Podcast

Episode 2: Introducing Your Hosts, Andrea Berg & Courtney Napier

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HDxLiberation Ep 2: Introducing Your Hosts, Andrea Berg & Courtney Napier


Episode Overview:

In this episode, Andrea and Courtney delve deep into their personal human design charts, sharing insights into how their unique designs shape their perspectives, interactions, and contributions to the world. The conversation explores the intersections of human design, liberation theology, and personal experiences, offering listeners a profound understanding of how human design can be a tool for personal and collective liberation.




Key Highlights:


  • Introduction to Hosts' Designs: Andrea and Courtney introduce their human design types and authorities, offering listeners a glimpse into the filters through which they view the world and share their insights.


  • The Role of Outer Authority: They discuss the concept of outer authority in human design, emphasizing the importance of sharing personal experiences and wisdom to guide others in their own journeys of self-discovery and liberation.


  • Exploring Channels and Circuitry: The hosts explore their respective channels and circuitry, discussing how these aspects of their designs influence their roles as communicators and leaders within their communities.


  • The Six Line Journey: Both hosts, being six lines in their profiles, share their experiences and insights into the unique life stages of six lines, from the tumultuous first phase of life to the reflective second phase and the anticipation of the third phase, where they hope to embody the role of wise elders.


  • Liberation Through Human Design: Courtney shares her journey of finding liberation and self-acceptance through human design, highlighting the challenges of navigating a predominantly white and commercialized human design space and finding a mentor in Andrea who resonates with her vision of using human design as a tool for liberation.


  • The Power of Collective Circuitry: The episode emphasizes the importance of community and collective energy in both hosts' designs, underscoring their commitment to using their platforms to empower and liberate others.


  • Invitation for Engagement: Andrea and Courtney invite listeners to engage with the podcast, share their questions and insights, and become part of a growing community that explores human design as a path to liberation.




Closing Thoughts:

This episode offers a rich exploration of how human design can serve as a powerful framework for understanding ourselves and others, navigating life's challenges, and fostering a sense of community and support. Andrea and Courtney's open and insightful conversation invites listeners to reflect on their own designs and consider how human design can be a tool for personal growth and collective liberation.



Next Steps:

Listeners are encouraged to explore their own Human Design charts, engage with the HDxLiberation community, and continue the conversation about how human design can inform and inspire their journey towards liberat

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Hi, I'm Andrea. Hey y'all, this is Courtney and welcome to the Human Design and Liberation podcast. This is a space where we explore how human design and liberation theology intersect with the past, present, and future. With the intent of sharing the beauty and pain of the human experience to encourage you in your liberation journey. Alright

Courtney Napier:

We're back. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. How you

Andrea Ward Berg:

doing? Good. I'm ready for this

Courtney Napier:

part. Me too. I'm excited. I love talking design. Me

Andrea Ward Berg:

too. As you know yes. Okay. So what we thought we would do with this episode is share with everybody a little bit about our designs You, the listener, know more about the filter through which this information is coming to you. And I think that's a really, important aspect to outer authority in general. When we think about outer authority, outer authority is no longer. Someone telling you what to do. Outer authority is someone sharing their experience. Someone sharing the wisdom that they've gained. Someone, investing their energy in you in the hopes that you will be able to take that, integrate it and feel more satisfaction, success, peace as a result. So when Ra would talk about outer authority. He would talk about anyone with. A defined crown or Ajna, projectors, anyone with a five or a six in their profile. So we have like multiple layers. We fit the

Courtney Napier:

description. Yes. So that

Andrea Ward Berg:

feels good. Yeah, it does feel good. And it also made sense because my whole life people have come to me and asked me my opinion on things or for quote unquote advice. And it's always felt like a little uncomfortable because I'm like I don't want to tell you what to do. And now I have a better language to be like, I can tell you my perspective. I can give you my outer authority, but ultimately it's up to your inner authority, what you decide. And that kind of like names it in a way that feels very empowering for the other person.

Courtney Napier:

Yes, totally. And what's your, I'll let you go ahead. I was thinking about circuitry as well. Like someone who probably has a bit more either community or collective circuitry might Get tapped for that. Yes. More often than maybe an

Andrea Ward Berg:

individual. Yeah. So I have three channels to our collective circuitry and one is in the integration circuit. Yes. Of course. Yes. Of course. Yeah. So for those that don't know, the integration circuit is like hyper individual mutated. Yeah. Yeah. And I think probably today we won't get too into like specific channels, but that might be a fun episode to do. I think so. Yeah.

Courtney Napier:

There's so much to explore. That's the point. There is. There's so much, there's so many layers. That's what makes design so fascinating.

Andrea Ward Berg:

Yeah. It's like a treasure trove.

Courtney Napier:

The ultimate rabbit hole digging.

Andrea Ward Berg:

Yeah. And then for you, you have. You have a mix, right? You've got I do. Mostly collective.

Courtney Napier:

I have primarily collective circuitry. But I do have some really important community circuitry. You do that. That really, I think what it, how it shows up. I know we're going a little off topic, but I think how it shows up is my lens, like the, Okay. Frame of the storytelling that I engage in typically is a more localized, focus, but the subject matter, like the value of the story can be felt collectively.

Andrea Ward Berg:

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think that makes sense. And also recognizing that the, the fourth line of your profile is also. a more community energy, right? And so you've got like your son in a community aspect along with that circuitry. It just you're, able to, you're able to speak to the importance of. support and community in the journey of the collective getting to where it wants to and needs to go. Totally. Whereas my circuitry is more about. Empowering the individual so that the collective can get to where it wants and needs to go. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Between the two of us. We got all three. We got all three. Got you covered.

Courtney Napier:

We got you covered. It's my attempt at a New York accent. Not good. Not good. Sorry, New Yorkers, anybody listening, I'm so sorry. But I will do it again. Oh me. We'll talk That's good. Do you remember that? SNL Coffee Talk? Yes. Oh my god, yes. Oh my. If you see something, say something. If you see something, say something.

Andrea Ward Berg:

Yes. So fun. Okay, my design. I am a 6/2 single definition. No split definition. I wish I was single. I have single definition envy. It's okay. I'm glad I'm a split, but it makes for some real challenges. Just being real, split definition splenic projector. And I am a quad right.

Courtney Napier:

She's from the future. That's what we decided. Andrea's from the future. More on that later.

Andrea Ward Berg:

More on that later. I have a defined crown, defined ajna. My split is between my ajna and my throat. And then I have a defined throat, identity center, spleen. All four motors are undefined. So I'm a classic projector.

Courtney Napier:

Classic. Classic.

Andrea Ward Berg:

Yeah. And, it's been interesting. It's been interesting integrating that. Awareness with, the life experience of being a six line.

Courtney Napier:

Yes. Yeah. Can you just say a little bit more about that? What does that mean? Cause we're both six lines. So we both have this, a story. Yeah.

Andrea Ward Berg:

Yeah. Yeah. We're both six lines in our second phase. And, I am in the second half of the second phase. You are in the first half of the second phase. So basically we tried to cram a whole third line life into the first 30 years of our life. Yeah. Overachievers, Yes. Yes. Yes. And the worst part is that it's it's not something you can control. Like every six line I've talked to, and even six lines that are in their first phase, like Declan, it's but I don't want to do this. How do I stop it? I'm like, sister, you can't stop it. Yeah. My love. You cannot stop it. It's just going to go. It's just going to roll like exactly the most you can do is just no I am here to take in as much of life as humanly possible. And, it's just, it's going to be what it is. So fast, it's

Courtney Napier:

fast and furious. It is all of them in the first 30 years of your life. Yeah.

Andrea Ward Berg:

Yeah. And so then in the second phase, you retreat and try to heal from all of the wounds of being a third line without the resiliency of a third line. Yeah. Cause we don't have that resiliency. And, get, that's where you get your perspective. That's where you start to integrate the lessons and, and then hopefully by the time you're 50, you are ready to come down off the roof and just be yourself.

Courtney Napier:

Yeah, I love that. I love I'm so fascinated by the six line. I am a six line, but I'm very fascinated by this idea of these life stages because I know something that like really draws me into human design is how cyclical is in nature. Yeah it's not just a straight line like this idea this enlightenment idea of like progress, arriving somewhere arriving at this whatever perfection of some sort is not a thing. There's never going to be a time in our lives where. We're not still learning. And even you remind me of the fact that as a six line, there's still going to be a little bit of trial and error in stage two. There's might even be a little bit in stage three. There's this is not about this is not a rigid by any means a a. Entirely rigid system. Yeah. And we are still deep in experimentation. So we're still learning about the system. But one thing we, do know is that like you said, it normalizes struggle as Not only like just a part of life, this neutral part of life, but actually a very positive, like now that I'm in the second stage, I'm looking back at the first stage and I'm like, there was just so much good data. There's just so many, and I don't have to keep doing all those things, like coming away from that person. Is feels more of like, a release, like I'm, it's okay that I'm not still that young, reckless, doing it all person. Like I don't have to be that person forever. I'm not supposed to be that person forever. Yeah,

Andrea Ward Berg:

I do think there's some grief in the beginning of the second phase because there, there is a lot of fun to be had. That first phase is a lot of fun. Like I think I lived in, I don't know I'd have to count, but I, it's somewhere between eight and nine cities. Yeah.

Courtney Napier:

Oh. Oh, moving

Andrea Ward Berg:

around. Most of that was between 20 and 30. Yeah. Yeah. There was a lot of fun. I did a lot of travel. I, climbed the corporate ladder, found out all the ways that corporations are fucking you around. And how it's really an extension of colonization. Yeah I don't, regret a minute of it. And I did have to grieve. I still on occasion grieve, I don't have, as much access to that energy as much like I don't have the, that underlying current in my life anymore. It's a much more settled current right now. Yeah. And I also love this current face. So I, I wouldn't change it. But that doesn't mean that there isn't still something to grieve. Yeah,

Courtney Napier:

there's definitely a high in that first season. I mean that first phase like yeah, cuz you are you out there like we are out there I have the wildest stories. I played in a I played in a poker Tournament and got to the final table. Oh I went off roading in a car that should not have been doing that

Andrea Ward Berg:

and you live to tell a

Courtney Napier:

tale and I live to tell the tale.

Andrea Ward Berg:

All the third lines are like, what? I do that. I did

Courtney Napier:

that last weekend. Exactly. It's oh shit, you're supposed to stop doing that?! No, not necessarily. You. I don't know. Maybe, maybe, you to tweak it, just tweak it. Wear a helmet. But yeah, wild shit. So much fun. And, I don't know. We ended up being really cool ass elders though. That's, I think that's the cool thing about a six line, which is, I guess like the intent is like that role model is really an elder. It's not someone who is, like the predict, it's not like a professor necessarily it's just a person that lives a life that attracts. Others who are destined to live a similar life, and they get to watch you do it is pretty, it's pretty cool.

Andrea Ward Berg:

Yeah, the way broad described it was like, probably the fifth line would be more like the. Teacher or professor, or region or regal or CEO or like that spotlight energy. Yeah. Especially with the projection field the six line is like the, the wise elder next to the royal. So if you have a reigning queen and you have the priestess that is next to the queen and the interesting, it's a little bit of an energetic check on the fifth line because the fifth line is here to universalize and the sixth line is seeking objective truth. So when the six line is in alignment with the fifth line, it legitimizes the fifth line. The fifth line is then able to have a stronger position within the right. And Oh, it's interesting just from a historical perspective when you look at indigenous Europe and like the Druids and and the priestesses of, of the Celts, that was their role, right? That was their role. And the chieftains and, lords and whatever structure they had, depending on which part of the region you were in, they had their, they had their priest or priestess or, there's different, words used for it in different regions, but, That was the like six line archetype, making sure that they were in alignment with spiritual alignment with what they were doing with their community.

Courtney Napier:

Wow. I love that. That's, yeah, of course, yes, that we, you do need that. It makes me think also of, and I don't want to speak, I am not speaking authoritatively on this because I do not know all the details, but I am aware that in the indigenous, tribes of what is now the United States, some Of the tribes it was two spirit people or how we would our maybe crude translation is trans, but for them it is that and more. I think those individuals were the oftentimes that spiritual objective kind of check and how, like. When you imagine that yes, I've experienced the incredible insight of being under trans spiritual leadership. You have as well. Yeah. And how, Their capacity to tap into something altogether different, like a a wisdom that's altogether different than those of us who are cisgender, is absolutely very potent. So yeah, absolutely.

Andrea Ward Berg:

Yeah. Super powerful. And even, looking at that tribal structure and how the chiefs always had their shaman. So the chief would be more like a fifth line energy, and the shaman would be more like a six line. So one of the big things that we lost when the Romans colonized Christianity and colonized Western Europe with it was that check, right? Yes. Was no longer there.

Courtney Napier:

Yes. Because it was, there was like a king and a priest. And then we fused it together, this idea of like, we think of the British empire where like the head of the church was A subject of in a way the head of the state and kind of morphed into this there are two people but they could not necessarily oppose each other or disagree and there was no space for that.

Andrea Ward Berg:

Yeah, and really the collective lost out on that accountability structure.

Courtney Napier:

Oh, yeah. That got deep fast.

Andrea Ward Berg:

It did.

Courtney Napier:

As it would in your design. You got a deep ass design. I want to like, is there anything else you wanted to share about your design? I don't know if you talked about your variable at all. Oh, you did. You mentioned it. Yeah, I

Andrea Ward Berg:

mentioned it being quad right? That has been a whole journey understanding what that means and learning how to support myself. So even just in how this podcast was born having someone to pull stuff out of me is very critical to my process. And that, riff on history and weaving history and human design together. My north node is in gate 47. So I have the channel 6447, which is all about, taking. Confusion, the mental pressure of confusion about how did we get to where we are? And understanding how to alleviate oppression. That's what the 47 is all about with understanding our history so that we can move forward more liberated. Yeah, is really understanding that channel has been fundamental to being able to make sense of. My path in so many ways, and I have it, I have that same North node in my conscious and unconscious. And it's in the first line and the fifth line. So a lot of like that heresy comes through sometimes when I'm talking about how these things interconnect and how we got to where we are. You, you do hear a little bit of that fifth line heretic.

Courtney Napier:

You do. I do. I love it. Yeah. It's true. It's yeah, this thing was not framed correctly, it's time for a reframe. And that's, I think if that's what the heretic does, it's there's, the truth or the facts might be there, but the frame was all wrong, and reframing what we know. I think that's what people get in the most trouble. You think about critical race theory, for instance, that's the whole that's what critical race theory is. It's a reframe of what we already know to be the United States or our legal system or whatever. Whatever thing we're criticizing whatever institutional like concept or criticizing. So absolutely. I see that. And that's, amazing. Let's talk about your design. I've reaped a lot from that. My design. Oh, I'm excited. So my design, I am a what is called a pure generator.Pure generatorr means, I am, my authority is my sacral. So I have a sacral authority. I have 4/6 profile. We mentioned the sixth line, but the fourth line is, my people, I like to call it the my people line that I have. Like energetic synergy with very specific people, and I'm starting to think about how to articulate who that person is because I think for a long time it's, I haven't been able to articulate who that person is, it just, it happens on such a energetic level, I just follow it, but I, I think, one thing that I've noticed is someone who Not satisfied with the single story. The single story is a concept to Chimamanda Adichie. She's a writer. It's a little bit problematic, just so trigger warning on learning about her and her background and beliefs and so forth, but this in particular this idea in particular is really potent. This idea of we live in a society that is very bent on defining people and places and certain things for its own ends. And if we stop there at that single popular narrative, 9 times out of 10, we're going to miss understanding that thing. According to its own definition, typically. And someone who is sensitive to that reality, that when you hear, the narratives that are like easiest to find are typically not the ones that you hear. most complete. And so that's something that I really am, I am attracted to. So I said, I have a cycle authority, and I said my energy type. So my variable is, focused on the design side. So double left on the design side, and then personality is left, so binary, and it shows up in my, Making sure I say this right. I'm like a little, I'm like a little bit more of a baby in the human design world than Andrea. And so I'm like, keep looking at her like, is this Right. You're doing it right. But my I think it's my view is a peripheral view. And so that is a. More like future, futuristic less strict, a little bit more, I take in a lot of information. I take in a lot of stimuli and energy. And I don't always I do not have like regular access to everything. I'm, taking in, which is actually a blessing. Now that I say that that would be intense. And so it tends to come out when I'm in When I'm with my people, like being around my people is important for me to be able to access the, information that the collective needs that or that community needs in the moment. And so I really appreciate people like Andrea who've come into my life and we, vibe we connect, and I'm, I noticed how I can access how I can. Connect ideas, in her presence that kind of float around bubbles in my head when I'm not, that's a really beautiful thing. And then I have a fairly defined just design overall. But what's funny is that my two undefined centers, my crown center and my solar plexus are like completely undefined. I

Andrea Ward Berg:

know they're both completely open. So it's like everything else that you've got seven defined centers and then you've got two completely open centers. Yes.

Courtney Napier:

Very, open with a triple split with a triple split. Just taking in so much taking so many like questions and like I'm seeing I'm, I feel it. And when I'm in spaces, I feel that quizzical energy. I feel the discomfort we're coming into something new. I used to be actually And now I think this might be why. So one place where I tended to be really uncomfortable, almost to the point of a fear, was art museums. So I would walk through, and it felt so intense to be in the space. And going from exhibition room to exhibition room, would cause me to have anxiety. And I'm, now that I'm looking at it, and I'm, Much more immersed in the art world. This is like when I was little, like when I was a girl, but now I'm an art writer. I spend a lot more time in these spaces and they're more generative for me. I'm able to sort through the emotion. Art is such a conduit for emotion and questions. If there's anything about Art that you that is just like a guarantee when you're in its presence, you're experiencing a lot of human emotion, and you're experiencing a lot of questioning like you're experiencing a lot of you're not getting answers, oftentimes from art. Yeah, it pulls Questions out if you pull like you're seeing like the visualization of someone who is wrestling with something with an idea or experience or a topic. And so I think because these two centers are wide open, just the being in the aura in the presence of a room full of so many highly emotional, highly questioning like channels of human energy. Yeah. Was overwhelming. Yeah,

Andrea Ward Berg:

I can totally see that. Yeah. And so for people who don't know what this means. So when you have an undefined center, you're taking in the energy of that center and amplifying it. But when you have one gate, even just one gate in a center, then there's somewhere for that energy to land. There's some kind of format for that energy to take. When you have a center undefined and completely open, there's nowhere for that energy to land. And so you experience that amplification times 10. Yeah. And completely open centers are an opportunity for the highest level of wisdom in that energy because your journey is to digest and alchemize that energy that you're experiencing so amplified. So it's really it's, a gift. It's just a gift again, that you have to, put into, you have to put work into.

Courtney Napier:

Yeah. Yeah. And, and that's, I think the sacral being as a cycle authority generator, having so much energy for the work is beautiful, but something that Andrea was able to show me is how to care for that energy. Yeah. Yeah. And the specific care that it needs, that, that joy and the pleasure. And I was on this like pleasure journey, even before I love Audre Lorde. I love Sister Outsider. I see that book is like a devotional for me. And when she, her, essay on the erotic is something that every generator very specifically should read, everyone should read. Generators very specifically because it really does like clear is the best way I can say clear out a lot of conditioning. We have around pleasure around the erotic and what it's there for. And she literally says it's there to energize us to do the work that we're here to do. It's almost literal what, how she explains it. And that's what I learned from Andrea, like on the human design. Yeah. Human design side was that when I am prioritizing my joy, when I'm prioritizing my pleasure that I am charging my sacral, I am like, loving on it. Basically. It's I'm, loving on my sacral in a way for me to handle this energy with a level of ease instead of It being like this instead of grinding the wheels like lubricating the gears it's make this is what allows the gears the energy to run and through me smoothly more smoothly than if I am not prioritizing my joy and it just gets so gunky it gets so there's so much resistance and, And the energy can get stuck. And that is not fun. It's not fun when that energy gets stuck somewhere. So I really, appreciate that. I feel

Andrea Ward Berg:

like having this combination of the wide open crown and wide open solar plexus with the triple split. It makes sense to me why you would have some fear around certain environments where you just got flooded, right? Yeah. Mental pressure would flood you or emotional energy.

Courtney Napier:

Yes. And also that feeling like, especially that that mental pressure, being a black queer woman in a space, I grew up in the South. Absolutely. Being in that space and when I, like, when I sat down with my therapist early on when I first started seeing her and I'm like, the thing, the way that I experienced the oppression of racism the most was the questioning. Were the questions. And I said that because I did experience verbally those questions, but I think I was also experiencing now that I understand human design, all the questions that weren't being verbalized in a space when I'm walking in and my energy, my aura, that's like big and open comes into a room of predominantly white southern folks, which is the circles that I spent the most time in, but even in circles of black people because we're still going through our journey around acceptance of queerness plus community and all of those things as well. But mainly those white spaces and coming in all the questions hitting me, verbally and non verbally. It, was, yeah, I experienced a lot of intense, anxiety and frustration in those spaces. Yeah.

Andrea Ward Berg:

Yeah. It makes sense. I think that brings us to this question around the role human design has played in your liberation.

Courtney Napier:

Can I go? Should I go? Yeah, I would love to go. So I was, so before I even got to human design, I'd gone through a lot of healing again, like growing up in those spaces. I, I had the, in 2012 around Trayvon Martin's Murder is when I had an awakening to a lot of parts of myself that I shut down because of my Difficult the difficulty I experienced in these spaces, right? Yeah, and so I had a very Strained relationship with my race. I had an even more strained relationship with my gender and my sexuality. But the first one that I was able to start dealing with was my race. And going through this idea of beginning to start my own process of deconditioning and like differentiation before I even got to human design. I was able to do some of that. And so when human design came through, For me, which was my sister introduced me to it a couple of years back over the holidays. And I finally saw the complexity of myself in a really beautiful way. I knew I was different. I knew I couldn't be, I couldn't fit in any of these boxes that society had built for me. Like the, blackness box, which was, I don't even, I don't know. We'll expand on that another day. But the, woman box the, Wife box, the Christian box, all these things, like it just never felt right. Like I didn't fit all the way inside. There's always like a foot hanging out, an arm hanging out. It just was so awkward. It's just poorly made clothes. I'm like, what am I? It was really frustrating. Obviously as a generator, like I'm just experiencing so much frustration because I just want to feel normal as myself and it's not happening. Yeah. And. I, was introduced to human design. I started learning about generators. And I'm like, yeah, that's me. I felt like the phrase, you don't hear me say it a lot, but the phrase I would say all the time when I'm reading about design is like, Oh, of course, that's how you know that. Yes, of course, that's me. And then the more I learned Yeah. The more I saw myself and I saw things that I just up to this point was just trying to find a way to get rid of, and that's the thing that human design gave me back was like, there's nothing about me that need to get rid of. And, and, but the problem was, as I was looking for knowledge and information studying the human design still felt like a very white space, a very, in a lot of ways, capitalistic space. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, yes. Yeah. Very, pumpkin spice. Yeah. Very, PSL. And I was like, I am not a PSL girl. I don't know.

Andrea Ward Berg:

You got to this part of the story. Cause I was gonna,

Courtney Napier:

this is a very important part of the story. It is. Yeah. And I was frustrated of course. And I was like, what, this is not line thing,

Andrea Ward Berg:

right? Looking for the truth, right? So when you are only seeing part of the story and specifically for you feeling like your part of the story is not being told.

Courtney Napier:

Yes. Yeah, exactly. I was like, this is not what I'm getting out of this at all. Exactly. Yeah. And so I don't and I've been under a lot of different teachers. We'll talk about that and a whole nother came through the white evangelical church, MLMs. megachurches, all that, one day we'll get into all of that. But I'm very wary as someone who's in the second phase, someone's on the roof. I'm very wary of my teachers. I'm very wary of my mentors. And so I feel like I had found the subject matter that I wanted to dig into. And I knew, I already saw the liberation possibilities, inside human design, but I wasn't seeing anybody Who saw that either or was interested in that or whatever and so I'm like, what the heck and so back to if you listen to the 1st episode we talked about this, but I stumbled across Andrea and Andrea's work and I was like, and even the there are folks of color that were in human design too, but they weren't trying to do that work either. They were I

Andrea Ward Berg:

saw, yeah I think that's a good point because, part of, the. The journey of following your strategy and authority is discovering which piece of this is yours, which piece of it is yours, right? And, for many black creators, liberating other black creators is part of what they feel their piece is. Yeah. Liberating white people is not what they feel they're being, I can't blame them.

Courtney Napier:

And I do not blame

Andrea Ward Berg:

them. I don't blame them either. So that's that's a piece of what you're getting, right? Like they have gone through their journey of their experiment and, really liberating themselves and what the way that their expression is meant to come through is an embodiment of that. And we are going to have some of those. Creators on here. And I'm excited for you to talk to them about that. Cause I, I'm, I know them and I know they're going to be wanting to share. But I think that, As you lean deeper into your experiment and life starts to unfold for you, the way that you are meant to show up in it just happens. And that sounds weird. It really sounds weird, but, that's the way that it's happened for me and I had to do a lot of. Nervous system healing and, and internal work to be ready to even publicly share what I was seeing, but I couldn't not share it. Yes. My throat is unconsciously defined. So it's, going to say, it's going to say, it just

Courtney Napier:

pops out, it just

Andrea Ward Berg:

pops out. Yeah. Oh, yes. That's what we're meant to talk about.

Courtney Napier:

And I think that's it that you named it. I think like for those creators that are weren't creators of color, do they care about liberation? Absolutely. And I saw that they cared. I saw that they were about that life about but they're Conscious focus of their work was something different than what I was looking for.

Andrea Ward Berg:

Yeah,

Courtney Napier:

yeah, and I think I really appreciate you saying what you said because none of this, and you'll learn this about me and my style of speaking, like I'm a very kind of straightforward speaker. I have a very kind of object, in my mind anyway, objective way of describing things. And sometimes I come across, that comes across as harsh, but it's very six line. So I never mean it in a harsh way. Way. I never mean it in a judgmental way. Even the PSL shit, like if somebody's vibe, if that's your door and if that's your vibe, I'm cool. Yeah, you drink all the lattes, but put the pumpkin spice in everything. Do you boo But it just wasn't it was just a no go for me. Yeah. And, like, when I came across Andrew's work, and also, I've had the privilege, I believe it truly is a privilege to be around some really incredible white people in my life, just in general, and so I am not a black person that has had the very, the too common experience of never being around white people who understand their own humanity and see it in others. I know a lot of people who've lived that life. I respect that life. And because it's a reality experience. Yeah, it's a common to common experience. And I haven't when I came across Andrew's work, I still have my guard up. I've experienced enough to not just be letting any old person in my space, but I came across Andrea's work and I knew I was able to recognize this is someone who has done the important work of seeing, learning, embracing their humanity and, wanted and are therefore able to do the same for other people and want to and understand their role in the work and liberation and so forth. So I was able to like, and so that was my in to really my deep dive, like I knew who I could deep dive with as a mentor as a guide in this process and, connecting with Andrea and, being able to go through some of her group classes. I was a part of a group program that she had, and then an individualized coaching program. And like that for me is when I feel like I was really able to start experiencing The liberation possibilities of human design that I longed for that I saw were available, but I was not like, I just was a baby. I wasn't like, I was reaching for it, but I just couldn't reach it yet. I wasn't tall enough. I wasn't strong enough yet. And you were able to bring those things off the shelf and down to me to for me to experience and use and like gum on and slobber all over and all of that. And I did that so happily.

Andrea Ward Berg:

Yeah. Just building muscles. Yeah. Yeah.

Courtney Napier:

So I'm just I'm so grateful Andrea, that you just played such an important role in my liberation journey and my ability to experience human design in that way. Thank you, friend. Me too. You're welcome.

Andrea Ward Berg:

I'm grateful for this. But Ra calls it a fractal. So basically, we all have this kind of slice of the universe that we're on. And that is behind the resonance, right? So When you are following your strategy and authority to figure out who to study with. Like I did most of my training with Jess Fields and it was a very similar experience. And I remember messaging her and being like, this was before she had a trainer program. Oh, wow. And being like, I'm looking at studying here or sitting here and this is what I'm seeing. And she was so like kind and like politically correct and didn't talk down to anyone, which I can't give myself that credit. I'm happy to spill the tea on what I think about the different, teaching programs. And That's just the six line and me was looking for that objective

Courtney Napier:

truth, something I

Andrea Ward Berg:

appreciate. Thank you. And I think that one of the things that we have to remember is that, human design was brought in through almost like a, it was a mystical experience. It was, it was something that was like outside of the normal human context. It's maybe like extra human. And so in a way, we're all working to try to live up to the potential that the system has opened up. And so when we're looking at some of the limitations or some of the, let's say, energy that's in detriment around some of these topics it's. It's still humans that are behind the scenes of whatever you're looking at. And just having compassion and understanding that, it's going to work itself out, right? Like just because that doesn't vibe for you doesn't mean that it's, horrible and should be canceled. It just means doesn't vibe for you. It's not on your fractal and that's okay. And yeah, I had it, everything that you described around trying to find someone to learn from is exactly what I went through trying to find ways to study as well. And I think as a quad and as a six line projector, my my standards are pretty high. And so I'm really grateful to have had the opportunity to study with Jess and she is somebody who has studied with. Multiple different, she's a third line, she's a three, five. So

Courtney Napier:

she's third line that shit. Yeah, she did. She had the resilience for it. We do not,

Andrea Ward Berg:

And that is the gift, right? Of Hey, I third lined this now, I can share that lived experience with you and you don't have to live it out yourself. So yes. Yes. Yes. I think that we covered the majority of what we wanted to cover. Is there anything else around our designs that we should

Courtney Napier:

talk about? No, I don't think so. I'm just, I think one thing is that we do both of us have a lot of circuitry around being able to communicate this stuff. And, but also being particularly myself being a leader, that needs to be called on by the people. I'm not here to just come out and say, I'm a leader. I'm a teacher. This is a space that, that I was called into. And so I. I am so like, I don't like the word humbled, but I am, I do feel the weight of responsibility. I think we both feel the weight of responsibility for this role, and this offering. And we love comments. We love, emails and all of those things. We want to interact with you, our listeners. We want to know how this is hitting you and all of that. So we're very open to, experiencing this with you and we're gonna, we'll have more and more ways you'll hear it in our outro and all of that. And then the show notes how you can connect with us, but we are about that life. This is not just, we're not elitist by any means, like both with our collective circuitry. Like we are here. We are about the people. We are for the people. We are the people we're not different. And so we want to be able to build relationships through this podcast with our listeners and whoever, however you interact with this work. So that's something I'm really excited about. Me too.

Andrea Ward Berg:

Me too. And I would love if there's a question or something, if you can leave it in a comment on the podcast, we can address it in one of our shows. Yeah. And we're going to create more and more ways to be together. So more. Yeah. We're coming on that too. Yes.

Courtney Napier:

Stay tuned.

Andrea Ward Berg:

All right. I think that wraps up episode

Courtney Napier:

two. Yes, this was good. I loved hearing like deeper, descriptions of your chart, your design. It's so beautiful. I think all designs are beautiful, but more partially yours. Oh,

Andrea Ward Berg:

thank you. I love it too. And I think that it just, it gives more context and color and contrast and texture to The conversations I'm starting to hear people's channels when they talk. I'm like oh, I'm really getting this Yeah. Vibe.

Courtney Napier:

Yes. Oh, so fun. So fun. So fun. Thank you so much for tuning into HD and Liberation podcast. We hope you've gained valuable insights into human design and its role in building a life of peace, success, satisfaction, and wonder. If you've enjoyed this episode, please show your support by liking, following, and sharing our podcast. on YouTube, or your favorite podcast platform. Your engagement helps us reach more people who can benefit from this wisdom. For exclusive content and to join our thriving community, consider becoming a Patreon member. Your support allows us to continue exploring the depths of human design and its potential for life and community transformation. Stay tuned for more fun, thoughtful, and impacting discussions. Together, we're unlocking the path to a more liberated and authentic life. Thank you for being a part of HD and Liberation Podcast.

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